Chiefs The sad thing is this line could be just as bad next year

B_Ambuehl · 11-07-2009, 11:50 AM

It really needs 4 new starters. Waters is close to being done. He's about where Shields was his last year. Just watched a replay of the SD game and he made their practice squad reject d-line look like world beaters. Goff is done. Niswanger has nothing. O-lines are usually 3 year rebuilding projects and we haven't even started on year 1. Clark obviously won't pay anybody who can really come in here and play football. He had plenty of opportunities to pick up a viable center and right tackle and passed on all of them. You can draft a bunch of rookies, but it takes them 2-3 years to get going (see Jacksonville). Unfortunately, it's looking like this line will be the death of Todd Haley.

Red Dawg · 11-07-2009, 11:58 AM

It's possible to be as bad but not likely. Even the if we have the same exact players they would get better. I doubt Scott and Clark will stand pat in FA this year. They have money and being this bad again will not be tolerated by Clark.

B_Ambuehl · 11-07-2009, 12:10 PM

They've had money the last 4 years. They've had a bad oline for nearly that long. The last 3 years the line has been horrid but with each subsequent year the line has got worse, not better. If you go back through the history of really bad lines in the NFL you don't see many, if any, great 1 year turnarounds. Along with that how do you expect to get an oline in 1 year when:

A: Your football team won't spend any money?

B: Your head football coach won't even let them carry enough weight to be effective? (Theres a reason every left tackle in the league weighs closer to 320 than 280)

C: Your personnel dept. has given little indication they even have a clue how to identify talent at the position? (Colin Brown lolz)

WhitiE · 11-07-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

They've had money the last 4 years. They've had a bad oline for nearly that long. The last 3 years the line has been horrid but with each subsequent year the line has got worse, not better. If you go back through the history of really bad lines in the NFL you don't see many, if any, great 1 year turnarounds. Along with that how do you expect to get an oline in 1 year when:

A: Your football team won't spend any money?

B: Your head football coach won't even let them carry enough weight to be effective? (Theres a reason every left tackle in the league weighs closer to 320 than 280)

C: Your personnel dept. has given little indication they even have a clue how to identify talent at the position? (Colin Brown lolz)

so how do you know how much clark is going/willing to spend?

ForeverChiefs58 · 11-07-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

They've had money the last 4 years. They've had a bad oline for nearly that long. The last 3 years the line has been horrid but with each subsequent year the line has got worse, not better. If you go back through the history of really bad lines in the NFL you don't see many, if any, great 1 year turnarounds. Along with that how do you expect to get an oline in 1 year when:

A: Your football team won't spend any money?

B: Your head football coach won't even let them carry enough weight to be effective? (Theres a reason every left tackle in the league weighs closer to 320 than 280)

C: Your personnel dept. has given little indication they even have a clue how to identify talent at the position? (Colin Brown lolz)

A,B,C is easy as 1,2,3

B_Ambuehl · 11-07-2009, 12:55 PM

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i disagree with this part ... it doesn't have to take that long

Give some examples. Three years is pretty standard. In '05 Miami was as bad up front as we are now. It took them until '08 to be legit. The Jets spent two first rounders in '06 and it took them until this year to become the dominant group that they are.

Obviously if you only have a piece or 2 out of place, OR you're willing to bring in a bunch of free agents it's not much of an issue, but this O-line needs 4 new players and has a history of neglecting free agents.

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so how do you know how much clark is going/willing to spend?

He wouldn't spend anything to keep Jard Allen here. He wouldn't pick up a Center and right tackle when there were several available. Additionally, when he won't even spend enough to hit the spending minimum required by the CBA I'd that's a pretty damn good indication he doesnt' want to spend money.

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Well coming from this clown, who has just about the worst eye for talent ever, I feel assured we will fix the holes on this line.

And no, genius, lines do not take 3 years to build.

Have you ever contributed anything of substance on this board? Pick anything football related that you want to debate me on and I'll be more then happy to hand you your ass.

**The Bad Guy** · 11-07-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Give some examples. Three years is pretty standard. In '05 Miami was as bad up front as we are now. It took them until '08 to be legit. The Jets spent two first rounders in '06 and it took them until this year to become the dominant group that they are.

Obviously if you only have a piece or 2 out of place, OR you're willing to bring in a bunch of free agents it's not much of an issue, but this O-line needs 4 new players and has a history of neglecting free agents.

He wouldn't spend anything to keep Jard Allen here. He wouldn't pick up a Center and right tackle when there were several available. Additionally, when he won't even spend enough to hit the spending minimum required by the CBA I'd that's a pretty damn good indication he doesnt' want to spend money.

Have you ever contributed anything of substance on this board? Pick anything football related that you want to debate me on and I'll be more then happy to hand you your ass.

You couldn't hand my 2 month old his ass in a football debate.

You want an example? The Atlanta Falcons. You want another? The Denver Broncos. One more? The New York Jets.

I've contributed more substance in one day on this board than you have your entire tenure.

And just so you are aware, paying Jared Allen had NOTHING to do with why he's not here anymore. But keep talking out of your ass.

milkman · 11-07-2009, 12:05 PM

I think that there a a couple of young players that have potential to develop, assuming we don't lose one to another team.

Both Daryl Harris and Colin Brown looked like they could be guys that can help this line at guard.

I thought both looked better in the preseason than the scrubs we've been trotting out there through the season thus far.

**BossChief** · 11-07-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I think that there a a couple of young players that have potential to develop, assuming we don't lose one to another team.

Both Daryl Harris and Colin Brown looked like they could be guys that can help this line at guard.

I thought both looked better in the preseason than the scrubs we've been trotting out there through the season thus far.

Coming from you, this is very reassuring.

I hope you are right.

Mr. Laz · 11-07-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

O-lines are usually 3 year rebuilding projects

i disagree with this part ... it doesn't have to take that long

**The Bad Guy** · 11-07-2009, 12:37 PM

Well coming from this clown, who has just about the worst eye for talent ever, I feel assured we will fix the holes on this line.

And no, genius, lines do not take 3 years to build.

**DeezNutz** · 11-07-2009, 12:40 PM

We have only 1 first-round pick on the line currently, so we're probably looking at 4 more years until we're decent.

**The Bad Guy** · 11-07-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

We have only 1 first-round pick on the line currently, so we're probably looking at 4 more years until we're decent.

OKUNG FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOLZ

nychief · 11-07-2009, 01:43 PM

The line got old, CP didn't draft well....

last years FA class was not gangbusters for the money. There have been mistakes made...

But I disagree that it'll take 3 years and with the assertion that CH is tight.

ChiefsCountry · 11-07-2009, 01:18 PM

The morons screwed up by not drafting OL this year. They were too hell bent on switching to the shitty 3-4.

11-07-2009, 11:50 AM	Topic Starter
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9705405	The sad thing is this line could be just as bad next year It really needs 4 new starters. Waters is close to being done. He's about where Shields was his last year. Just watched a replay of the SD game and he made their practice squad reject d-line look like world beaters. Goff is done. Niswanger has nothing. O-lines are usually 3 year rebuilding projects and we haven't even started on year 1. Clark obviously won't pay anybody who can really come in here and play football. He had plenty of opportunities to pick up a viable center and right tackle and passed on all of them. You can draft a bunch of rookies, but it takes them 2-3 years to get going (see Jacksonville). Unfortunately, it's looking like this line will be the death of Todd Haley.
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11-07-2009, 11:58 AM	#2
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $1272858	It's possible to be as bad but not likely. Even the if we have the same exact players they would get better. I doubt Scott and Clark will stand pat in FA this year. They have money and being this bad again will not be tolerated by Clark. __________________ If you're not first you're last!
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11-07-2009, 12:10 PM	#3
B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9705405	They've had money the last 4 years. They've had a bad oline for nearly that long. The last 3 years the line has been horrid but with each subsequent year the line has got worse, not better. If you go back through the history of really bad lines in the NFL you don't see many, if any, great 1 year turnarounds. Along with that how do you expect to get an oline in 1 year when: A: Your football team won't spend any money? B: Your head football coach won't even let them carry enough weight to be effective? (Theres a reason every left tackle in the league weighs closer to 320 than 280) C: Your personnel dept. has given little indication they even have a clue how to identify talent at the position? (Colin Brown lolz)
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11-07-2009, 12:05 PM	#8
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	I think that there a a couple of young players that have potential to develop, assuming we don't lose one to another team. Both Daryl Harris and Colin Brown looked like they could be guys that can help this line at guard. I thought both looked better in the preseason than the scrubs we've been trotting out there through the season thus far. __________________
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11-07-2009, 12:37 PM	#11
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9283645	Well coming from this clown, who has just about the worst eye for talent ever, I feel assured we will fix the holes on this line. And no, genius, lines do not take 3 years to build. __________________
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11-07-2009, 01:43 PM	#14
nychief MVP Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NYC Casino cash: $5369466	The line got old, CP didn't draft well.... last years FA class was not gangbusters for the money. There have been mistakes made... But I disagree that it'll take 3 years and with the assertion that CH is tight. __________________ Good Time Charlie, Uncle Doobie and the Great Frisco Freakout.
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11-07-2009, 01:18 PM	#15
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1551248	The morons screwed up by not drafting OL this year. They were too hell bent on switching to the shitty 3-4.
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