The sad thing is this line could be just as bad next year

[B_Ambuehl]

i disagree with this part ... it doesn't have to take that long

Give some examples. Three years is pretty standard. In '05 Miami was as bad up front as we are now. It took them until '08 to be legit. The Jets spent two first rounders in '06 and it took them until this year to become the dominant group that they are.

Obviously if you only have a piece or 2 out of place, OR you're willing to bring in a bunch of free agents it's not much of an issue, but this O-line needs 4 new players and has a history of neglecting free agents.

so how do you know how much clark is going/willing to spend?

He wouldn't spend anything to keep Jard Allen here. He wouldn't pick up a Center and right tackle when there were several available. Additionally, when he won't even spend enough to hit the spending minimum required by the CBA I'd that's a pretty damn good indication he doesnt' want to spend money.

Well coming from this clown, who has just about the worst eye for talent ever, I feel assured we will fix the holes on this line.

And no, genius, lines do not take 3 years to build.

Have you ever contributed anything of substance on this board? Pick anything football related that you want to debate me on and I'll be more then happy to hand you your ass.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Give some examples. Three years is pretty standard. In '05 Miami was as bad up front as we are now. It took them until '08 to be legit. The Jets spent two first rounders in '06 and it took them until this year to become the dominant group that they are.

Obviously if you only have a piece or 2 out of place, OR you're willing to bring in a bunch of free agents it's not much of an issue, but this O-line needs 4 new players and has a history of neglecting free agents.



He wouldn't spend anything to keep Jard Allen here. He wouldn't pick up a Center and right tackle when there were several available. Additionally, when he won't even spend enough to hit the spending minimum required by the CBA I'd that's a pretty damn good indication he doesnt' want to spend money.



Have you ever contributed anything of substance on this board? Pick anything football related that you want to debate me on and I'll be more then happy to hand you your ass.

You couldn't hand my 2 month old his ass in a football debate.

You want an example? The Atlanta Falcons. You want another? The Denver Broncos. One more? The New York Jets.

I've contributed more substance in one day on this board than you have your entire tenure.

And just so you are aware, paying Jared Allen had NOTHING to do with why he's not here anymore. But keep talking out of your ass.

[Param]

[QUOTE=The Bad Guy;6240626
You want an example? The Atlanta Falcons. You want another? The Denver Broncos. One more? The New York Jets.

I've contributed more substance in one day on this board than you have your entire tenure.

.[/QUOTE]

Don't know much about ATL, but the Broncos never had a piss poor line. They picked up Clady in the 1st, Harris in 4th?, Kuper in 6th?, Casey FA. Hamilton been there a long time. Now the Jets spent 1st round picks on Mangold/Ferguson, then spent tons of money on the other positions. I think they have 4 former 1st round picks on the line.

This line could definately be bad again next year if we're not going to draft players/pay $ in FA. And even if we pick up players in the draft, it's highly unlikely they start right out of the gates.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Param

Don't know much about ATL, but the Broncos never had a piss poor line. They picked up Clady in the 1st, Harris in 4th?, Kuper in 6th?, Casey FA. Hamilton been there a long time. Now the Jets spent 1st round picks on Mangold/Ferguson, then spent tons of money on the other positions. I think they have 4 former 1st round picks on the line.

This line could definately be bad again next year if we're not going to draft players/pay $ in FA. And even if we pick up players in the draft, it's highly unlikely they start right out of the gates.

The Falcons offensive line was horrid the season before Ryan got there.

The Broncos had to rebuild their line and did it in basically one off-season and 2 drafts.

The point is, they fixed their lines in less than 3 years.

[B_Ambuehl]

The Falcons offensive line was so horrid last year they felt comfortable enough to let a pro bowler right guard in Keynan Forney walk away.

The Broncos got a couple of better players at key positions, but their line was never 1/4 as dysfunctional as ours to start with.

Regarding Jared Allen, the ONLY reason he's not here is because Clark wouldn't pay him. It's always about the money and that was only about the money.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

The Falcons offensive line was so horrid last year they felt comfortable enough to let a pro bowler right guard in Keynan Forney walk away.

The Broncos got a couple of better players at key positions, but their line was never 1/4 as dysfunctional as ours to start with.

Regarding Jared Allen, the ONLY reason he's not here is because Clark wouldn't pay him. It's always about the money and that was only about the money.

It was about Jared Allen keeping his nose clean and only that. It wasn't about paying him. Carl Peterson paid his boys every single time their contract came up.

The Falcons line was ****ing terrible. Forney played like shit in his last year in Atlanta and has continued to play like shit since, which is why SD let him go. Wayne Gandy was terrible. Todd Weiner sucked at RT. They replaced their entire right side of the line as well as their LT and did it with success in ONE season.

[B_Ambuehl]

If you feel that strongly about it we'll have to agree to disagree. Allen accepted a contract from the Vikings that protected them in event of drug suspension, he would've accepted the same contract here but Clark doesn't want to spend money. Atlanta's line wasn't as bad as you're making it out to be.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

It was about Jared Allen keeping his nose clean and only that. It wasn't about paying him. Carl Peterson paid his boys every single time their contract came up.

The Falcons line was ****ing terrible. Forney played like shit in his last year in Atlanta and has continued to play like shit since, which is why SD let him go. Wayne Gandy was terrible. Todd Weiner sucked at RT. They replaced their entire right side of the line as well as their LT and did it with success in ONE season.

I mostly agree with this post. What CP could never decipher is good talent from elite talent.

Guys like Jared should be treated differently than the average joe.

Jared became dominant in his third year and we never heard a peep about $$$ from him through his whole rookie contract that was of a 4th rounder. When you have a pass rusher that is as complete of a defender as Jared is/was you have to treat him the same as you do your QB because he is almost as important to your chances at a superbowl.

Jared will go off when it gets to the postseason this year and I bet he helps them win a title THIS YEAR.

I said it before and Ill say it again, I wouldnt have traded him for two firsts.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

It was about Jared Allen keeping his nose clean and only that. It wasn't about paying him. Carl Peterson paid his boys every single time their contract came up.

The Falcons line was ****ing terrible. Forney played like shit in his last year in Atlanta and has continued to play like shit since, which is why SD let him go. Wayne Gandy was terrible. Todd Weiner sucked at RT. They replaced their entire right side of the line as well as their LT and did it with success in ONE season.

I know you have me on ignore, but for everybody else.

The main reason Allen was signed had everything to do with money and respect. CP is a douche bag and he thought it would be cool to lowball the hell out of Jared Allen, not return his agent's calls, and then publicly insult him and think that Allen would eventually cave in and accept a lower contract. It's the same approach CP took with LJ, except LJ eventually gave in. Lord knows how many free agents CP drove away with the same approach and because of his reputation for such shady tactics (Samari Rolle anyone)?

Anyway, I know the Allen argument is irrelevant. But don't think for a second that he wouldn't be in KC if the GM treated him with at least a hint of respect. Hell, Minnesota signed him to a contract that had some clear behavioral implications, so it's inaccurate to say that the Chiefs couldn't have negotiated some kind of contract with a behavioral out clause.