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Old 10-14-2008, 02:38 PM  
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Herm\Carl take Chiefs to new low!!!
Ok, I know there was a lot of drama over the trades but the reality is we have AT LEAST 2, and in that case our BEST 2, players that want out from under Carl, Herm and the Chiefs. So after Allen opined in the same manner last year, one has to wonder how many people on this team really want to be here?

So who is the next one to want out from the disaster Herm and Co have created? Bowe? Charles? Flowers or Carr?

You can debate whether TG and LJ are right or wrong all you want. The fact is we have a team now where the best guys don't want to be here.


WAY TO ****ING REBUILD CARL!!!


Herm has ruined this team where Carl couldn't.
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Old 10-14-2008, 11:15 PM   #181
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You're out of your ****ing mind.



Again, are you ****ING KIDDING ME???????

This 10-6 team you speak of didn't do jackshit. The starting QB AND the all-world left tackle weren't on the squad the year the Chiefs went 9-7.

Do you think they'd win even 7 games under Vermiel? I mean, most of his seasons were losers: 6-10, 8-8, 7-9. When did THOSE teams improve? Oh yeah. They didn't.

What you "need to look at" is player development. The Chiefs are essentially an expansion franchise. "You need to look at" personnel and player development. Not wins and losses. That's ludicrous.

Especially when the team is starting 10 ROOKIES.

JFC.
That 10-6 team was a good team. The reason they didn't make the playoffs that year is because the AFC was an incredibly competitve conference that year. that 10-6 team even though they didn't make the playoffs was just as good as a playoff team. Even despite not accomplish the main goal.

Ok so you're gonna say the starting Qb wasn't on that 9-7 team. Fine. I'll turn around and say Damon Huard played just as well as Trent Green when he was hurt if not better. Ok Roaf wasn't there and that a bit.

Do I think this team would win 7 games under Vermeil. absolutely. I'll take a Dick Vermeil squad over a Herm Edwards squad anyday. Ok Vermeil may not have won the bowl, but at least his teams executed, were disciplined and played an exciting brand of football. Ok Vermeil would not give you 13-3 seasons ever year, but at least his teams made progress. They went from 6-10, to 8-8 to 13-3. In 3 seasons he went from 6-10 to 13-3. I'll give the man some credit and I do miss him over this ass clown.

You need to look at player development yes you are right. And we had very good player development under Vermeil. that's all in part because he knows and has good understanding on how to work and deal with players. thats what makes him a good coach.

Ok this team has a lot of rookies fine. but all I want to get at is, these rookies aren't going to flourish properly when the coaching staff in front of them stinks. player development and good coaching have a lot to do with the progress of a player. They go hand in hand.

You don't look at the wins and losses? I'd love for you to tell that to some NFL teams. they'd laugh in your face.
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Old 10-15-2008, 08:52 AM   #182
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You need to look at player development yes you are right. And we had very good player development under Vermeil.
Ha ha.
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Old 10-15-2008, 08:55 AM   #183
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Old 10-15-2008, 09:40 AM   #184
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I dont know about all that player development under DV, yes DV is miles ahead of Herm in terms of coaching... But DV brought in players that fit his scheme..

Hell do you remember we started the season with T-rich as running back before PH blew up in Washington?
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Old 10-15-2008, 09:41 AM   #185
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some of you guys need to switch to decaf, and not take the internet so seriously
What? Really? I thought Chiefsplanet was the be all to end all of Chiefs fandom?

I think alot of dogs get kicked and people hurt from this board.. No way you can blow up on here and not let if effect your personal life...

Your right, some people have serious angry issues....
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Old 10-15-2008, 09:46 AM   #186
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Bullshit.

Bull. ****ing. Shit.

Are you telling us that Tank and Turk haven't "progressed" from last year? That Pollard hasn't improved from year one to year three? That Dwayne Bowe's production has dropped off, even though he's had Bozo throwing the ball?

Are you further implying that Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Brandon Albert, Dorsey, Mike Cox, Jamaal Charles, Brad Cottom and DaJuan Morgan were bad choices that haven't played up to their potential as rookies? How about Herb Taylor? He's been a real disappointment as a 6th round choice, hasn't he?

Give me a ****ing break.
Let preface my post here by first saying that, like you, Warpath, jsp, and others, that I agree that the premise of this thread is absolutely ****ing ridiculous.

However, with better coaching, at least along the D-Line, I think we would see a little more cosistency from Tank and Turk, rather than just flashes, and that that we would see more flashes from Dorsey.

I do think that Gibbs is doing a pretty damn good job with the secondary, but the coaching everywhere else on the defense leaves a lot to be desired.

As to Kawika, yes, he was far from being one of the best players on this team, and he isn't ever going to be a great LB, but he did produce far more consistently for a team with a better staff.
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Old 10-15-2008, 09:50 AM   #187
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I dont know about all that player development under DV, yes DV is miles ahead of Herm in terms of coaching... But DV brought in players that fit his scheme..

Hell do you remember we started the season with T-rich as running back before PH blew up in Washington?
DV was just as stubborn when it came to our weaknesses.

He'd punt (and EVERYONE WATCHING in and outside the stadium knew the defense couldn't hold.) By golly, he wasn't about to quit believing in them though. Not after 4 or 44 games.

The sad, solitary, indisputable fact is that any HC after Marty pales in accomplishment to Marty. Perhaps the one HC willing to dare a face off with the King.

And before you start this Marty-lover BS to me it's more about the quest to conquer turning into the ability to over-achieve and then a slow slide into complete suck and embarassment.

There are a ton of things I love about both DV and Gun but they DIDN'T PRODUCE. They're gone, but somehow the guy that hired them keeps hanging on in the shadows like some combination of the Emperor from Star Wars and an intestinal parasitic worm...
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That 10-6 team was a good team. The reason they didn't make the playoffs that year is because the AFC was an incredibly competitve conference that year. that 10-6 team even though they didn't make the playoffs was just as good as a playoff team. Even despite not accomplish the main goal.

Ok so you're gonna say the starting Qb wasn't on that 9-7 team. Fine. I'll turn around and say Damon Huard played just as well as Trent Green when he was hurt if not better. Ok Roaf wasn't there and that a bit.

Do I think this team would win 7 games under Vermeil. absolutely. I'll take a Dick Vermeil squad over a Herm Edwards squad anyday. Ok Vermeil may not have won the bowl, but at least his teams executed, were disciplined and played an exciting brand of football. Ok Vermeil would not give you 13-3 seasons ever year, but at least his teams made progress. They went from 6-10, to 8-8 to 13-3. In 3 seasons he went from 6-10 to 13-3. I'll give the man some credit and I do miss him over this ass clown.

You need to look at player development yes you are right. And we had very good player development under Vermeil. that's all in part because he knows and has good understanding on how to work and deal with players. thats what makes him a good coach.

Ok this team has a lot of rookies fine. but all I want to get at is, these rookies aren't going to flourish properly when the coaching staff in front of them stinks. player development and good coaching have a lot to do with the progress of a player. They go hand in hand.

You don't look at the wins and losses? I'd love for you to tell that to some NFL teams. they'd laugh in your face.
I'm sorry?

Dick developed players?

Name 5.
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Old 10-15-2008, 09:52 AM   #189
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DV was just as stubborn when it came to our weaknesses.

He'd punt (and EVERYONE WATCHING in and outside the stadium knew the defense couldn't hold.) By golly, he wasn't about to quit believing in them though. Not after 4 or 44 games.

The sad, solitary, indisputable fact is that any HC after Marty pales in accomplishment to Marty. Perhaps the one HC willing to dare a face off with the King.

And before you start this Marty-lover BS to me it's more about the quest to conquer turning into the ability to over-achieve and then a slow slide into complete suck and embarassment.

There are a ton of things I love about both DV and Gun but they DIDN'T PRODUCE. They're gone, but somehow the guy that hired them keeps hanging on in the shadows like some combination of the Emperor from Star Wars and an intestinal parasitic worm...
I agree, cant argue that....

Marty is still a tool...
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Old 10-15-2008, 09:53 AM   #190
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Dick developed players?

Name 5.
Dexter McCleon
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Old 10-15-2008, 09:55 AM   #192
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Bullshit.

Bull. ****ing. Shit.

Are you telling us that Tank and Turk haven't "progressed" from last year? That Pollard hasn't improved from year one to year three? That Dwayne Bowe's production has dropped off, even though he's had Bozo throwing the ball?

Are you further implying that Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Brandon Albert, Dorsey, Mike Cox, Jamaal Charles, Brad Cottom and DaJuan Morgan were bad choices that haven't played up to their potential as rookies? How about Herb Taylor? He's been a real disappointment as a 6th round choice, hasn't he?

Give me a ****ing break.
The Chiefs have a third year first rounder, a 2nd year 2nd rounder, 2nd year third rounder and first year top 5 pick on the DL. They are underachieving. The starters still don't have a single sack do they?

Tank has progressed from being invisible to showing an occassional flash. McBride has progressed from being invisible to being completely irrelevant.

Right now Taylor can't unseat McIntosh. That's a gross coaching error.

I'll go as far to say that Cottam, Morgan and Charles were good value picks, but poor choices for this team at this particular time.
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I'm sorry?

Dick developed players?

Name 5.
Green was a better player in KC, Waters, Kennison was thought of as a lost cause, Hall, Allen, Colquitt.
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