Chiefs Herm\Carl take Chiefs to new low!!! - Page 12

**petegz28** · 10-14-2008, 02:38 PM

Ok, I know there was a lot of drama over the trades but the reality is we have AT LEAST 2, and in that case our BEST 2, players that want out from under Carl, Herm and the Chiefs. So after Allen opined in the same manner last year, one has to wonder how many people on this team really want to be here?

So who is the next one to want out from the disaster Herm and Co have created? Bowe? Charles? Flowers or Carr?

You can debate whether TG and LJ are right or wrong all you want. The fact is we have a team now where the best guys don't want to be here.

WAY TO ****ING REBUILD CARL!!!

Herm has ruined this team where Carl couldn't.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-14-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

But what we do know is there is no progression going on here.

Bullshit.

Bull. ****ing. Shit.

Are you telling us that Tank and Turk haven't "progressed" from last year? That Pollard hasn't improved from year one to year three? That Dwayne Bowe's production has dropped off, even though he's had Bozo throwing the ball?

Are you further implying that Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Brandon Albert, Dorsey, Mike Cox, Jamaal Charles, Brad Cottom and DaJuan Morgan were bad choices that haven't played up to their potential as rookies? How about Herb Taylor? He's been a real disappointment as a 6th round choice, hasn't he?

Give me a ****ing break.

Reerun_KC · 10-14-2008, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Bullshit.

Bull. ****ing. Shit.

Are you telling us that Tank and Turk haven't "progressed" from last year? That Pollard hasn't improved from year one to year three? That Dwayne Bowe's production has dropped off, even though he's had Bozo throwing the ball?

Are you further implying that Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Brandon Albert, Dorsey, Mike Cox, Jamaal Charles, Brad Cottom and DaJuan Morgan were bad choices that haven't played up to their potential as rookies? How about Herb Taylor? He's been a real disappointment as a 6th round choice, hasn't he?

Give me a ****ing break.

Okay so how is going to step up on our coaching staff and provide leadership for this young players?

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-14-2008, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Okay so how is going to step up on our coaching staff and provide leadership for this young players?

Do you mean who?

That's the job of the position coaches.

It sure appears to me that David Gibbs has done a helluva job and Krumie's done well with with Tank & Turk, not to mention Dorsey & Johnson.

This team needs experience and more youth.

**petegz28** · 10-14-2008, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Boris The Great

So you think that building a team is based on how many hards a team gets on offense?

I see. No wonder you think Vermeil was great.

And no wonder everyone else thinks you are reeruned.

I guess you are happy with giving up 300+ yards on defense???

**petegz28** · 10-14-2008, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You're missing the point.

The sandy vags are bitching about how bad things are, without putting things in perpsective.

2 bad seasons in a row is NOTHING.

Bottom line is that people were spoiled by mediocrity over the last 20 years.

2 consecutively worse seasons, after a lucky 9-7 season, with absolutely 0 signs of improvment.

The defense has taken humongo steps BACKWARDS!

**petegz28** · 10-14-2008, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You know, Steadman and company may have been awful at choosing head coaches but they were pretty damn good at loading the roster with a shit ton of talent.

When Marty took over, Okoye, Palmer, Alt, Maas, Dino Hackett, Deron Cherry, Lloyd Burrus, Albert Lewis, Mike Bell, Stephone Paige, Jonathon Hayes, Neil Smith, Steve DeBerg, Rich Baldinger, Carlos Carson, Nick Lowery, Kevin Porter, JC Pearson, Kevin Ross and Alfredo Roberts were all on the roster.

Compare that to the Chiefs of 2006. Or 2007. Or 2008.

What the **** good is having talent if your head coach is the champion of the R2P2 offense and the "no show" defense?

ChiefsCountry · 10-14-2008, 08:29 PM

Man this is a whiny vagina thread I swear. Are these the worst Chiefs teams of all time, no they aren't. I think people want to bitch just to bitch. The Chiefs are actually building this thing right for the first freaking time. They are building through the draft and basically just started this year. Plurged the roster of old players with big contracts. Playing young guys who are actually showing improvement. Wins and losses arent the only way to show improvement. Should Peterson go, hell yes he should. Herm's biggest problem is he is too damn stubborn in his ways. If he could just grow a nut sack he could be a good coach. Honestly if you are looking at the team in the present scence then yeah we arent very good. But this team isnt being built for this year. If you look two to three years down the road, this looks to be a damn good team. We are still 1 to 2 drafts way and if we get Stafford or Bradford things look even brighter. Herm will dig his own grave bc of his stubborn style so its worthless to keep barking and barking about it. Some coach is going to get a gold mine of talent here.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-14-2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

What the **** good is having talent if your head coach is the champion of the R2P2 offense and the "no show" defense?

Your and idiot

**petegz28** · 10-14-2008, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Your and idiot

Is that all you got? Are you telling me now after 3 years of R2P2, despite all the warnings from Jets fans that I am idiot cause I think Herm is scared?

GFY

ClevelandBronco · 10-14-2008, 09:05 PM

These Chiefs are every bit as good as the Broncos when they wore vertically striped socks.

RedThat · 10-14-2008, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Bullshit.

Bull. ****ing. Shit.

Are you telling us that Tank and Turk haven't "progressed" from last year? That Pollard hasn't improved from year one to year three? That Dwayne Bowe's production has dropped off, even though he's had Bozo throwing the ball?

Are you further implying that Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Brandon Albert, Dorsey, Mike Cox, Jamaal Charles, Brad Cottom and DaJuan Morgan were bad choices that haven't played up to their potential as rookies? How about Herb Taylor? He's been a real disappointment as a 6th round choice, hasn't he?

Give me a ****ing break.

Relax man.

Im looking at the big picture here. Im not specifically talking about players in general. Im talking about the way were going as a team. Yeah these guys like Flowers, Carr, Albert have tons of potential. But the bottomline is, the Chiefs are getting worse ever since Herm took over.

you need to look at the wins and losses. The Chiefs went from a solid 10-6 team to a 9-7 team to a 4-12 and now to a.......? who knows? but this team sure as looks worse then last year. And I do see them finishing with a worse record then last year.

**petegz28** · 10-14-2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Relax man.

Im looking at the big picture here. Im not specifically talking about players in general. Im talking about the way were going as a team. Yeah these guys like Flowers, Carr, Albert have tons of potential. But the bottomline is, the Chiefs are getting worse ever since Herm took over.

you need to look at the wins and losses. The Chiefs went from a solid 10-6 team to a 9-7 team to a 4-12 and now to a.......? who knows? but this team sure as looks worse then last year. And I do see them finishing with a worse record then last year.

The biggest disappointment, and what finally ruined me on Herm, was this defense. The defense is what he was supposed to be all about. Our D sucks ass! And it isn't the rookie corners. It's the mish-mash D line and sloppy LB play. Gunther took over coaching the LB's this year....so much said for him.

I agree 100%. This team has done nothing but get worse each year under Herm. The plays are the same, the players are the same, the coach is the same, the results are the same.

RedThat · 10-14-2008, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

The biggest disappointment, and what finally ruined me on Herm, was this defense. The defense is what he was supposed to be all about. Our D sucks ass! And it isn't the rookie corners. It's the mish-mash D line and sloppy LB play. Gunther took over coaching the LB's this year....so much said for him.

I agree 100%. This team has done nothing but get worse each year under Herm. The plays are the same, the players are the same, the coach is the same, the results are the same.

Im with you on that. I thought he'd at least turn the defense around? it has been quite the contrary. It's too much cover 2..dropping guys back all the time doesnt help your defense. they play such a soft style. even despite the fact they change players doesnt make a difference? the philosophy is poor and the playcalling is arguably the worst ive seen in years.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-14-2008, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

you need to look at the wins and losses.

You're out of your ****ing mind.

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Originally Posted by RedBull

The Chiefs went from a solid 10-6 team to a 9-7 team to a 4-12 and now to a.......? who knows? but this team sure as looks worse then last year. And I do see them finishing with a worse record then last year.

Again, are you ****ING KIDDING ME???????

This 10-6 team you speak of didn't do jackshit. The starting QB AND the all-world left tackle weren't on the squad the year the Chiefs went 9-7.

Do you think they'd win even 7 games under Vermiel? I mean, most of his seasons were losers: 6-10, 8-8, 7-9. When did THOSE teams improve? Oh yeah. They didn't.

What you "need to look at" is player development. The Chiefs are essentially an expansion franchise. "You need to look at" personnel and player development. Not wins and losses. That's ludicrous.

Especially when the team is starting 10 ROOKIES.

JFC.

ChiefsCountry · 10-14-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're out of your ****ing mind.

Again, are you ****ING KIDDING ME???????

This 10-6 team you speak of didn't do jackshit. The starting QB AND the all-world left tackle weren't on the squad the year the Chiefs went 9-7.

Do you think they'd win even 7 games under Vermiel? I mean, most of his seasons were losers: 6-10, 8-8, 7-9. When did THOSE teams improve? Oh yeah. They didn't.

What you "need to look at" is player development. The Chiefs are essentially an expansion franchise. "You need to look at" personnel and player development. Not wins and losses. That's ludicrous.

Especially when the team is starting 10 ROOKIES.

JFC.

QFT

10-14-2008, 02:38 PM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-1105873	Herm\Carl take Chiefs to new low!!! Ok, I know there was a lot of drama over the trades but the reality is we have AT LEAST 2, and in that case our BEST 2, players that want out from under Carl, Herm and the Chiefs. So after Allen opined in the same manner last year, one has to wonder how many people on this team really want to be here? So who is the next one to want out from the disaster Herm and Co have created? Bowe? Charles? Flowers or Carr? You can debate whether TG and LJ are right or wrong all you want. The fact is we have a team now where the best guys don't want to be here. WAY TO ****ING REBUILD CARL!!! Herm has ruined this team where Carl couldn't.
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10-14-2008, 08:29 PM	#172
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1591248	Man this is a whiny vagina thread I swear. Are these the worst Chiefs teams of all time, no they aren't. I think people want to bitch just to bitch. The Chiefs are actually building this thing right for the first freaking time. They are building through the draft and basically just started this year. Plurged the roster of old players with big contracts. Playing young guys who are actually showing improvement. Wins and losses arent the only way to show improvement. Should Peterson go, hell yes he should. Herm's biggest problem is he is too damn stubborn in his ways. If he could just grow a nut sack he could be a good coach. Honestly if you are looking at the team in the present scence then yeah we arent very good. But this team isnt being built for this year. If you look two to three years down the road, this looks to be a damn good team. We are still 1 to 2 drafts way and if we get Stafford or Bradford things look even brighter. Herm will dig his own grave bc of his stubborn style so its worthless to keep barking and barking about it. Some coach is going to get a gold mine of talent here. Last edited by ChiefsCountry; 10-14-2008 at 08:52 PM..
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10-14-2008, 09:05 PM	#175
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