Charles to the Patriots?

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

I already said you get his 3 elite years: 2010, 2012, 2013.

No other year was ELITE 2nd MOST IMPORTANT PLAYER ON THIS TEAM TYPE PRODUCTION

you don't get 2014. I'm sorry but 206 carries 1033 yards and 9 touchdowns is not 'elite.' Handful of RBs do that every season, and yes, Chris Ivory just did that exact season in 2015 (he had 247 carries 1070 yards and 7 touchdowns) Which proves it's a dime a dozen RB production, not elite. You want to add in Charles's receiving touchdowns which gives him 14 total that's fine, but you're really arguing because he finds the endzone he's elite. I don't really buy that, touchdowns are flukey.

But here's where you lose since you add his total touchdowns to his "elite production" argument.

2015: 232 carries 1037 yards 12 touchdowns

THAT'S SPENCER WARE AND CHARCANDRICK WEST PRODUCTION IN WAY LESS THAN GAMES. So if you're arguing that 2014 was elite production for Charles well then West and Ware just did that exactly in 2015, so really there is zero drop off in elite production, which further proves why Charles is not that important.

You're "ELITE" Charles production is LITERALLY +2 touchdowns from what West and Ware can do. That's not what I consider most important at all. When I think most important I think of going from 15-20 sack Justin Houston to less than 10 sack Dee Ford+Tamba Hali or 1000 yards Jeremy Maclin to whatever the hell Rod Streater, Albert Wilson and Chris Conley can scrum up together.

or Travis Kelce's 900 yards from the TE spot to who the hell knows what's behind him.

or Marcus Peters 8 ints to what in the world would be our LCB if he went down?

Of course I'm going to add in his receiving totals. The ****? Do receiving TDs count for less than rushing TDs?

Ivory's 2015 season isn't nearly as comparable to Jamaal's 2014 as you're making it seem. It took him 40 more carries to get 40 more yards and he still ended up with like 7 less TDs on the year.

Oh, and you're doing the exact same shit Dane is by the way. I never argued that JC was the most important player on our team. I just said he's the best, meaning no one performs their position's duties as well as he does, except maybe Houston.

Ware and West contributed similar production when Charles went down but it generally took them a lot more carries to do so while also facing inferior competition. Neither Ware nor West give you nearly the bang for the buck that Charles does.