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Old 04-02-2016, 05:08 PM   #1
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we will be almost 3 years removed from the last time Charles put up elite production for his position.



and really he only ever had 3 elite years. Maclin and Kelce are at least trending upward, and to a lesser degree Spencer Ware, also trending upward despite small sample size.


Not really. He led the entire league in TDs in 2013 and was, IIRC, second or third in total TDs in 2014 despite missing a couple games.
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Old 04-02-2016, 05:11 PM   #2
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Not really. He led the entire league in TDs in 2013 and was, IIRC, second or third in total TDs in 2014 despite missing a couple games.
And yet the Chiefs went 11-1 without him.

He's not as important as you believe.

Actually, it's not even close.
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Old 04-02-2016, 05:13 PM   #3
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And yet the Chiefs went 11-1 without him.

He's not as important as you believe.

Actually, it's not even close.


I don't believe I've argued his importance in this entire thread.
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Old 04-02-2016, 05:14 PM   #4
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I don't believe I've argued his importance in this entire thread.
Really?

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but why would we want to trade our best player to the team most likely to be our #1 road block on the road to the Super Bowl?
So the "best player" isn't important?
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Old 04-02-2016, 05:16 PM   #5
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Really?



So the "best player" isn't important?


Alex Smith is more important to this team than Jamaal Charles. Jamaal Charles is better than Alex Smith.

Do you understand what I'm saying?
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Old 04-02-2016, 05:58 PM   #6
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Really?



So the "best player" isn't important?
Not when he's a RB.
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Old 04-02-2016, 06:02 PM   #7
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Not when he's a RB.
I remember the day with the RB WAS important.

Thank FF. Ruined the game.
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Old 04-02-2016, 06:08 PM   #8
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I remember the day with the RB WAS important.

Thank FF. Ruined the game.
That was the perception.

But the reality is that defense wins championships, and it always has.

We've become so caught up with the idea that QB is so important, myself included, that we really didn't see that reality.
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Not when he's a RB.
Exactly
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Old 04-02-2016, 06:39 PM   #10
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I would argue that when your passing offense ranks as one of the worst in the league year in and year out the RB becomes pretty important, though Ware and West proved to be pretty good.
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Not really. He led the entire league in TDs in 2013 and was, IIRC, second or third in total TDs in 2014 despite missing a couple games.
Yea 2013 was his last year of truly ELITE production

2016 - 2013 = 3

entering 3rd year since his last elite season.

2014 was hardly elite production, you don't get that season, Chris Ivory put up those stats this year for goodness sake. And by missed a couple games you mean he missed 1 lol
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Old 04-02-2016, 07:04 PM   #12
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Yea 2013 was his last year of truly ELITE production

2016 - 2013 = 3

entering 3rd year since his last elite season.

2014 was hardly elite production, you don't get that season, Chris Ivory put up those stats this year for goodness sake. And by missed a couple games you mean he missed 1 lol
Bro, he's put up elite production by at least one major statistical metric in every season since he took over the starting job in 2009. Over the last 9 games of the 2009 season (in which he started) he led the league in rushing yards, he had the 6.4 YPC in 2010, second in rushing yards in 2012, led the league in TDs in 2013, third in TDs in 2014 and, IIRC, was either leading the league or second place in TDs again this past season before injury.

I mean, I'm a Jamaal fanboy and everything but **** me. You're seriously underselling his contributions here.

He had 2 carries in the Broncos game week 2 of 2014 before he had the high ankle sprain then missed the next week at Miami. For all intents and purposes, he missed 2 games that season. 14 games, 14 TDs. That's elite production.

Hell, the dude's averaging damn near a TD per game over his last FOURTY games. That's crazy good.
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Old 04-02-2016, 07:27 PM   #13
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Bro, he's put up elite production by at least one major statistical metric in every season since he took over the starting job in 2009. Over the last 9 games of the 2009 season (in which he started) he led the league in rushing yards, he had the 6.4 YPC in 2010, second in rushing yards in 2012, led the league in TDs in 2013, third in TDs in 2014 and, IIRC, was either leading the league or second place in TDs again this past season before injury.

I mean, I'm a Jamaal fanboy and everything but **** me. You're seriously underselling his contributions here.

He had 2 carries in the Broncos game week 2 of 2014 before he had the high ankle sprain then missed the next week at Miami. For all intents and purposes, he missed 2 games that season. 14 games, 14 TDs. That's elite production.

Hell, the dude's averaging damn near a TD per game over his last FOURTY games. That's crazy good.
Who cares?

It's a "What have you done for me lately?" league and Charles never led his team to a playoff victory, let alone, a Super Bowl.

The Chiefs won 11 games and a playoff game without him.

Chill.
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Old 04-02-2016, 07:30 PM   #14
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Who cares?

It's a "What have you done for me lately?" league and Charles never led his team to a playoff victory, let alone, a Super Bowl.

The Chiefs won 11 games and a playoff game without him.

Chill.
You're the master of arguing points I never even made.
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Bro, he's put up elite production by at least one major statistical metric in every season since he took over the starting job in 2009. Over the last 9 games of the 2009 season (in which he started) he led the league in rushing yards, he had the 6.4 YPC in 2010, second in rushing yards in 2012, led the league in TDs in 2013, third in TDs in 2014 and, IIRC, was either leading the league or second place in TDs again this past season before injury.

I mean, I'm a Jamaal fanboy and everything but **** me. You're seriously underselling his contributions here.

He had 2 carries in the Broncos game week 2 of 2014 before he had the high ankle sprain then missed the next week at Miami. For all intents and purposes, he missed 2 games that season. 14 games, 14 TDs. That's elite production.

Hell, the dude's averaging damn near a TD per game over his last FOURTY games. That's crazy good.
I already said you get his 3 elite years: 2010, 2012, 2013.

No other year was ELITE 2nd MOST IMPORTANT PLAYER ON THIS TEAM TYPE PRODUCTION

you don't get 2014. I'm sorry but 206 carries 1033 yards and 9 touchdowns is not 'elite.' Handful of RBs do that every season, and yes, Chris Ivory just did that exact season in 2015 (he had 247 carries 1070 yards and 7 touchdowns) Which proves it's a dime a dozen RB production, not elite. You want to add in Charles's receiving touchdowns which gives him 14 total that's fine, but you're really arguing because he finds the endzone he's elite. I don't really buy that, touchdowns are flukey.

But here's where you lose since you add his total touchdowns to his "elite production" argument.

2015: 232 carries 1037 yards 12 touchdowns

THAT'S SPENCER WARE AND CHARCANDRICK WEST PRODUCTION IN WAY LESS THAN GAMES. So if you're arguing that 2014 was elite production for Charles well then West and Ware just did that exactly in 2015, so really there is zero drop off in elite production, which further proves why Charles is not that important.

You're "ELITE" Charles production is LITERALLY +2 touchdowns from what West and Ware can do. That's not what I consider most important at all. When I think most important I think of going from 15-20 sack Justin Houston to less than 10 sack Dee Ford+Tamba Hali or 1000 yards Jeremy Maclin to whatever the hell Rod Streater, Albert Wilson and Chris Conley can scrum up together.

or Travis Kelce's 900 yards from the TE spot to who the hell knows what's behind him.

or Marcus Peters 8 ints to what in the world would be our LCB if he went down?
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