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Old 02-10-2009, 05:41 PM   #1
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So you didn't read my first post?

You can disagree with it. Thats fine.

Don't act like it didn't get written.
You mean this one?

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Why can't Thigpen improve?
Forgive me, but I fail to see how you ignoring Mecca's question and asking one of your own is stating a case for Thigpen.
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:42 PM   #2
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You mean this one?



Forgive me, but I fail to see how you ignoring Mecca's question and asking one of your own is stating a case for Thigpen.
Nah...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...4&postcount=37
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:44 PM   #3
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You didn't answer my question.

Why can't Thigpen improve?

Other QBs get allll the patience in the worlllldddd. Yet Thigpen gets 8 games where the whole offense was changed in the middle. A suspect line. A suspect running game. And he gets the ball the endzone. Makes plays makes things happen...never even had a training camp as more of an after thought.

Every other young QB gets years of patience and Thigpen gets 8 games.

Why can't he improve?
That's stating a case?

Looks like a bunch of ****ing excuses to me.
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:47 PM   #4
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That's stating a case?

Looks like a bunch of ****ing excuses to me.
Its not a bunch of excuses...it is big factors the guy had going against him...

Yet with all those things?

He moved the ball...and got the Chiefs in the endzone. He is a gamer.
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:51 PM   #5
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Its not a bunch of excuses...it is big factors the guy had going against him...

Yet with all those things?

He moved the ball...and got the Chiefs in the endzone. He is a gamer.
Did you happen to turn games off at halftime?

You want a gamer?

Ben Roethlisberger is a gamer.

He finds a way to WIN.

Need a 90 yard scoring drive with 2:30 left on the clock to win the Super Bowl? With broken ribs?

THAT'S a gamer.

Tyler Thigpen is a parlor trick, who needs a gimmick offense to have any success whatsoever. But only in the 1st half of games.
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:52 PM   #6
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Did you happen to turn games off at halftime?

You want a gamer?

Ben Roethlisberger is a gamer.

He finds a way to WIN.

Need a 90 yard scoring drive with 2:30 left on the clock to win the Super Bowl? With broken ribs?

THAT'S a gamer.

Tyler Thigpen is a parlor trick, who needs a gimmick offense to have any success whatsoever. But only in the 1st half of games.
Why can't he improve?
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:53 PM   #7
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Why can't he improve?
Why should we expect it? Why should we pass over drafting a QB for him?
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:59 PM   #8
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Why can't he improve?
Because he's limited to operating in a gimmick offense.

Can he improve if we stay with the Pistol? Sure.

That would be career suicide for Haley and Pioli, but for sake of conversation.

Can he improve if he's expected to play in a pro style offense?

Over time, possibly, but very doubtful.

Even QB's who played in a pro style offense struggle making the transition to the pros. History and his talent level shows he has a very minimal chance of being a successful pro QB.

Is Tyler Thigpen capable of winning a SB?

I don't think so, and I don't know how anyone could answer yes to that question.

And that's the goal here. To win a championship.
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Old 02-10-2009, 06:04 PM   #9
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Why can't he improve?
I posted this last week to your query but you didn't respond:

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost....&postcount=115

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The problem is Zach that he can't play under center. Do you remember the Raider game? The Atlanta game?

They put him in the spread so that he could better read the defenses. He did a pretty good job of reading the defense in the first half of most of his starts but after halftime, the defenses adjusted and shut him down. The Chiefs lost like 6 or 7 games when they were leading at halftime because of this.

They also had trouble scoring in goal line situations (again, with Thigpen behind center). Part of this was because the right side of the offensive line (the power side) was complete and utter trash but the other part of the equation is that the defenses knew what was coming because Thigpen couldn't read them well enough to throw the ball on the goal line (nor does he possess the accuracy).

I don't think the Chiefs should dump him but it's going to take him years of practice to learn how to read and react under center and quite frankly, it may never happen.

That's not a guy I want starting for my football team.
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:54 PM   #10
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Tyler Thigpen is a parlor trick,
It's like L. Ron Hubbard made a bet with someone that he convince a whole fan base that Tyler Thigpen was an NFL starting QB.
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:43 PM   #11
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You mean this one?



Forgive me, but I fail to see how you ignoring Mecca's question and asking one of your own is stating a case for Thigpen.
I think what gets me is there are several well reasoned arguments that can be made for why he isn't the guy, pointing those out is somehow bad and asking for just 1 reasoned one in return isn't cool either.

I don't get that.
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:44 PM   #12
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I think what gets me is there are several well reasoned arguments that can be made for why he isn't the guy, pointing those out is somehow bad and asking for just 1 reasoned one in return isn't cool either.

I don't get that.
Yea, I am Mecca...nobody understands me...nobody responds to my posts how I want them to respond.

Hopefully someday we will all be able to communicate on the same plane as you.
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:45 PM   #13
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Yea, I am Mecca...nobody understands me...nobody responds to my posts how I want them to respond.

Hopefully someday we will all be able to communicate on the same plane as you.
It's obviously hard to get an answer to a simple question that doesn't involve severe hyperbole.
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:48 PM   #14
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It's obviously hard to get an answer to a simple question that doesn't involve severe hyperbole.
And what question did you ask in your post about dropping back.

It is hard to get a simple post from you without you making commentary about how people should and shouldn't interact with you on this board.
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:50 PM   #15
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And what question did you ask in your post about dropping back.

It is hard to get a simple post from you without you making commentary about how people should and shouldn't interact with you on this board.
So you feel the spread/pistol is the wave of the future in the NFL then?
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