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Old 02-10-2009, 04:53 PM  
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What's with the Thigpen fixation?
Now I fully admit it isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be on this forum but I've yet to figure out this fixation with him. It's really bad at some other unnamed forums..

I honestly have no way of comprehending what it's about. It's like everything people said about Croyle has now been lumped onto Thigpen. "Well um he's the guy we don't need another QB"

The worst part is the people who don't want a QB this year then say well if Thigpen doesn't work out we can just take Bradford or McCoy, it's like peoples brains fell out.
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:57 PM   #106
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Why?

Who in this thread has made a legitimate case for Thigpen?

No one is willing to, because they know at the end of the ledger, there will be more negatives than positives.

If you want to HOPE he'll be good, feel free.

But to expect him to is another story. He has almost everything working against him, and almost nothing working for him.
Someone must have haxored your sarcasm meter. Mecca has a good track record of sticking to the subject and many of those on the other side of any argument just want to talk about Mecca.
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:58 PM   #107
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Becuase he has had none of the support system other QBs get...

The whole offense he was a part of changed in the middle of the season...no training camp as a main part of the offense.

Had a suspect line and running game but still made things happen.

Young players improve.
No support system? They changed the entire offense just so he could run it. What the hell else do you want them to do?
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:58 PM   #108
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No one is saying he can't get better. But to pass on Stafford/Sanchez you have to expect drastic improvement. There's a world of difference there.
WRONG lots of people say he cant get better
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:58 PM   #109
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You still treat the NFL game like math.

Was it rational for the Cards to go to the Superbowl?
Yes. They have an abundance of high first and second round draft choices, along with a head coach who coordinated a Super Bowl win, a Hall of Fame QB and a possible HOF wide receiver.

It was ridiculous that it took that franchise this long to get to a Super Bowl.
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:58 PM   #110
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So you're advocating passing on a QB BECAUSE of Thigpen?

You need to get you cat scanned.
In the 1st round? Sure...I am not that impressed with this batch of QBs.

I am not an armchair draft expert like all you folks though. Whatever the Chiefs decide is fine with me.

But if our guy is Thigpen I would look forward to it.
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:59 PM   #111
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Why can't he improve?
Because he's limited to operating in a gimmick offense.

Can he improve if we stay with the Pistol? Sure.

That would be career suicide for Haley and Pioli, but for sake of conversation.

Can he improve if he's expected to play in a pro style offense?

Over time, possibly, but very doubtful.

Even QB's who played in a pro style offense struggle making the transition to the pros. History and his talent level shows he has a very minimal chance of being a successful pro QB.

Is Tyler Thigpen capable of winning a SB?

I don't think so, and I don't know how anyone could answer yes to that question.

And that's the goal here. To win a championship.
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Old 02-10-2009, 05:59 PM   #112
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People have stated their opinion on this for the last several months, you just don't agree with the answer.

Both of those things are fine.

People thought our offense improved with him back there last year, he showed more poise in the pocket than we've seen in awhile, he is decent sized, has a pretty strong arm.

There are some flaws for sure, but the people who want to give him another chance think those flaws can be worked out.
Yay! He's decent and has some flaws. Woo-hoo!


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Old 02-10-2009, 06:00 PM   #113
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You didn't answer my question.

Why can't Thigpen improve?

Other QBs get allll the patience in the worlllldddd. Yet Thigpen gets 8 games where the whole offense was changed in the middle. A suspect line. A suspect running game. And he gets the ball the endzone. Makes plays makes things happen...never even had a training camp as more of an after thought.

Every other young QB gets years of patience and Thigpen gets 8 games.

Why can't he improve?
That is a logical question. I am not a Thigpen hater or fan but it seems to me he has a chance to improve alot.
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Old 02-10-2009, 06:00 PM   #114
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What about Thigpen's successes can you separate from the scheme? His mobility, I suppose. But beyond that... it just seems to me that he is completely a product of the scheme. I fear his terrible accuracy wouldn't take him far in a drop back system.
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Old 02-10-2009, 06:00 PM   #115
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Yes. They have an abundance of high first and second round draft choices, along with a head coach who coordinated a Super Bowl win, a Hall of Fame QB and a possible HOF wide receiver.

It was ridiculous that it took that franchise this long to get to a Super Bowl.
You would have never told me that before the playoffs started. They were 9-7 going into the post season.

Its ok though, message board sports experts can be right after the fact. It is easy to do...

That last part isn't at you Dane.
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Someone must have haxored your sarcasm meter. Mecca has a good track record of sticking to the subject and many of those on the other side of any argument just want to talk about Mecca.
Yeah, it's shot today.

Been fighting a headache that a bottle of Advil can't seem to touch.
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Atleast my guy could properly drop back from center and operate in an NFL offense.
how do we actually know that thigpen cant? our offensive line was horrible, any one would be skittish when taking a THREE step drop and having defenders in your face before setting up
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Yay! He's decent and has some flaws. Woo-hoo!


JFC.

Maybe you missed the part about how I want to draft a franchise QB?

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Why didn't anyone touch this one...looking for an answer...

Would a newly drafted QB have the ability to improve after 8 starts?
*cough*
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I personally think we should draft Sanchez. I'm on record as saying as much. But to pretend that Thigpen has no future and is the worst QB in the history of the game is kind of ass-reeruned also.

Here's the deal. Herm enforced his suck on the offense. Croyle got dead, like Croyle does. Huard quit, like Huard does. Thigpen comes in. Thigpen sucks. Until someone tells Herm to stfu and see if Gailey can work some magic. We go to the pistol. We score a lot of points. Still lose.

Thiggy put up numbers in a non-pro style offense. He sucked in the second half. The offense sucked in the redzone.

But the kid made some plays. Draft Sanchez, see what you have in the kid with the offense that the coach wants to run. If he sucks, fine. If not, cool! We've got a battle on our hands for QB.

That's about the only case that can be made for him.

He is not the unequivocal QBOTF for this team.

He is also not complete ass.
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