Chiefs What's with the Thigpen fixation? - Page 14

Mecca · 02-10-2009, 04:53 PM

Now I fully admit it isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be on this forum but I've yet to figure out this fixation with him. It's really bad at some other unnamed forums..

I honestly have no way of comprehending what it's about. It's like everything people said about Croyle has now been lumped onto Thigpen. "Well um he's the guy we don't need another QB"

The worst part is the people who don't want a QB this year then say well if Thigpen doesn't work out we can just take Bradford or McCoy, it's like peoples brains fell out.

**DeezNutz** · 02-10-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

No, I'm just ****ing around. Obviously a guy like Peyton Manning is an exception.

Look, if Pioli thinks either of these guys is Manning, Brady, Brees, or a few other guys, then of course take him. I don't think ANYONE on this board would argue otherwise, at least I hope not. But if that guys is Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, etc, who are all average to above average NFL QBs, I would rather roll with Thigpen and signing a vet to compete. Honestly in that scenario, I would recycle vets like Trent Green, Warner, etc.

But, if any QB in any year grades out to be a possible top 5 NFL QB, you do whatever you have to to get him.

We're in agreement.

My stance, though, is that it's far past time for this organization to take the risk.

Stafford and Sanchez might end up being only serviceable, and this would suck for a #3 overall pick. But, and here's the beauty, they might wildly exceed even high expectations.

You have to take that chance.

Mecca · 02-10-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Does it concern that he was only a 1 year starter?

No and he will be listed as a senior on NFL boards he spent 4 years in college he just didn't go back for this 5th year.

If he was extremely raw and had a ton of things he needed to improve it would bug me. But the guy has pocket poise, good mobility a plus arm, hangs in the pocket to make throws and his feet are as good as you could ask for.

Mark Sanchez has been very well coached on all the little things and it shows.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-10-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

green wasnt good?

Green was "good" when he played behind four Pro-Bowl and two HOF tackles.

Without them, not so much.

**doomy3** · 02-10-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're the ONLY person I've ever seen refer to Pro Bowl quarterbacks as "average".

Your "standards" just don't make any sense.

And you're the only person I have ever seen refer to Joey Harrnington as average.

I'm sorry, when I envision a franchise QB for this team, I envision them being much better than any of those 3 guys.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-10-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

of course it did, they had to throw together an offense, and had limited plays..coupled with the fact with crappy second halftime adjustments..what did you expect..you alreeady claimed they suck yet the the guy threw for 2k in eight games. on a limited game plan and had the chiefs competitive in most games.

Steve, you know you're my boy - so this isn't directed at you, but since it was in your post I have to respond.

You know what excuse I'm getting tired of hearing?

HALFTIME ADJUSTMENTS.

Anyone want to know what the best coach in the NFL thinks about "haltime adjustments?"

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Originally Posted by Bill Belichick

Halftime adjustments is one of the worst cliche of all. You're always adjusting, declaring, bluffing. Wait until halftime to do all that and you may be out of it already.

**SAUTO** · 02-10-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think it's very strange to see people argue the spread was used do to the line, that's false.

The spread was used because Tyler Thigpen can't do anything else, it was because of him not anything else, it's time to accept that reality.

bullshit, if we hadnt spread it out the qb would be getting hit on 3 step drops before setting his feet

Micjones · 02-10-2009, 06:27 PM

I can't believe what I'm reading in this thread.

Some of you were perfectly willing to hand the keys to the franchise over to a much less accomplished Brodie Croyle, but you scoff at affording Thigpen the same confidence.

Tyler Thigpen threw 18 TD's in 11 starts this season as a, for all intents and purposes, rookie QB who took no First Team reps during the off-season whatsoever.

Yes, he threw them in a Spread Offense, but that offense was installed in the middle of the season.

Obviously the accuracy is a concern.
And in the NFL it's not common for QB's to make drastic improvement in that area.

For that reason, alone, the Chiefs should draft or sign a FA QB, install a more conventional offense, and let them compete for the job. I don't have a Thigpen fixation, but I do think the kid flashed and showed me some good things. He made plays.

To shit on what that guy accomplished given the circumstances is just silly.

Mecca · 02-10-2009, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

bullshit, if we hadnt spread it out the qb would be getting hit on 3 step drops before setting his feet

That's flawed logic spreading the field actually exposes your QB to more hits..the system was run because it's all Thigpen can do.

Lets stop with this bunk that it was because of the line it was because of Thigpen.

**SAUTO** · 02-10-2009, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

I can't believe what I'm reading in this thread.

Some of you were perfectly willing to hand the keys to the franchise over to a much less accomplished Brodie Croyle.

Tyler Thigpen threw 18 TD's in 11 starts this season as a, for all intents and purposes, rookie QB who took no First Team reps during the off-season whatsoever.

Yes, he threw them in a Spread Offense, but that offense was installed in the middle of the season.

Obviously the accuracy is a concern.
And in the NFL it's not common for QB's to make drastic improvement in that area.

For that reason, alone, the Chiefs should draft or sign a FA QB, install a more conventional offense, and let them compete for the job.

To shit on what that guy accomplished given the circumstances is just silly.

if our receivers caught half of the balls that hit them in the hands and he's over 60%

Mecca · 02-10-2009, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones

I can't believe what I'm reading in this thread.

Some of you were perfectly willing to hand the keys to the franchise over to a much less accomplished Brodie Croyle, but you scoff at affording Thigpen the same confidence.

Tyler Thigpen threw 18 TD's in 11 starts this season as a, for all intents and purposes, rookie QB who took no First Team reps during the off-season whatsoever.

Yes, he threw them in a Spread Offense, but that offense was installed in the middle of the season.

Obviously the accuracy is a concern.
And in the NFL it's not common for QB's to make drastic improvement in that area.

For that reason, alone, the Chiefs should draft or sign a FA QB, install a more conventional offense, and let them compete for the job. I don't have a Thigpen fixation, but I do think the kid flashed and showed me some good things. He made plays.

To shit on what that guy accomplished given the circumstances is just silly.

You don't get to use that as an excuse when it was done because of said player.

**SAUTO** · 02-10-2009, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

That's flawed logic spreading the field actually exposes your QB to more hits..the system was run because it's all Thigpen can do.

Lets stop with this bunk that it was because of the line it was because of Thigpen.

really? then why did our qb get hit LESS when we went to it?

Mecca · 02-10-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

really? then why did our qb get hit LESS when we went to it?

He didn't, he just wasn't made of paper mache.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-10-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

green wasnt good?

Statistically, sure.

But unless you can turn those statistics into playoff wins, then he's just another guy in my book.

Roethlisberger finds a way to win.

Bad OL? No problem.

90 yards to go in 2 minutes? No problem.

2 broken ribs? No problem.

I can't think of one, big, important game that Trent Green put the team on his shoulders and won for us while he was here.

**Reaper16** · 02-10-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

if our receivers caught half of the balls that hit them in the hands and he's over 60%

Forget accuracy stats for a second. Go back and watch Thigpen play if you have the means to. He is not an accurate QB. His accuracy past 10 yards is pretty horrendous.

Micjones · 02-10-2009, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

You don't get to use that as an excuse when it was done because of said player.

You're really going to pretend that was the only factor in play?
REALLY?

Had nothing to do with the Offensive Line deficiencies or the Larry Johnson suspension.

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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-722950	What's with the Thigpen fixation? Now I fully admit it isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be on this forum but I've yet to figure out this fixation with him. It's really bad at some other unnamed forums.. I honestly have no way of comprehending what it's about. It's like everything people said about Croyle has now been lumped onto Thigpen. "Well um he's the guy we don't need another QB" The worst part is the people who don't want a QB this year then say well if Thigpen doesn't work out we can just take Bradford or McCoy, it's like peoples brains fell out.
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02-10-2009, 06:27 PM	#202
Micjones Whose house? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $10005180	I can't believe what I'm reading in this thread. Some of you were perfectly willing to hand the keys to the franchise over to a much less accomplished Brodie Croyle, but you scoff at affording Thigpen the same confidence. Tyler Thigpen threw 18 TD's in 11 starts this season as a, for all intents and purposes, rookie QB who took no First Team reps during the off-season whatsoever. Yes, he threw them in a Spread Offense, but that offense was installed in the middle of the season. Obviously the accuracy is a concern. And in the NFL it's not common for QB's to make drastic improvement in that area. For that reason, alone, the Chiefs should draft or sign a FA QB, install a more conventional offense, and let them compete for the job. I don't have a Thigpen fixation, but I do think the kid flashed and showed me some good things. He made plays. To shit on what that guy accomplished given the circumstances is just silly. __________________ It's like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I could been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong.
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