Chiefs What's with the Thigpen fixation?

**doomy3** · 02-10-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Every aspect of the game is critical; football is the ultimate team sport.

But you can't claim that anything is more important than the QB. Say this aloud: "I'd rather have Willie Roaf than Peyton Manning." Did you hear how that sounded?

No, I'm just ****ing around. Obviously a guy like Peyton Manning is an exception.

Look, if Pioli thinks either of these guys is Manning, Brady, Brees, or a few other guys, then of course take him. I don't think ANYONE on this board would argue otherwise, at least I hope not. But if that guys is Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, etc, who are all average to above average NFL QBs, I would rather roll with Thigpen and signing a vet to compete. Honestly in that scenario, I would recycle vets like Trent Green, Warner, etc.

But, if any QB in any year grades out to be a possible top 5 NFL QB, you do whatever you have to to get him.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-10-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

But if that guys is Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, etc, who are all average to above average NFL QBs, I would rather roll with Thigpen and signing a vet to compete. Honestly in that scenario, I would recycle vets like Trent Green, Warner, etc.

You're the ONLY person I've ever seen refer to Pro Bowl quarterbacks as "average".

Your "standards" just don't make any sense.

**doomy3** · 02-10-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're the ONLY person I've ever seen refer to Pro Bowl quarterbacks as "average".

Your "standards" just don't make any sense.

And you're the only person I have ever seen refer to Joey Harrnington as average.

I'm sorry, when I envision a franchise QB for this team, I envision them being much better than any of those 3 guys.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-10-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

And you're the only person I have ever seen refer to Joey Harrnington as average.

I'm sorry, when I envision a franchise QB for this team, I envision them being much better than any of those 3 guys.

And that's because you don't know how to rate QB's.

And furthermore, I'll ask again: Who said anything about wanting an average QB?

Please explain.

**doomy3** · 02-10-2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

And you're the only person I have ever seen refer to Joey Harrnington as average.

I'm sorry, when I envision a franchise QB for this team, I envision them being much better than any of those 3 guys.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And that's because you don't know how to rate QB's.

And furthermore, I'll ask again: Who said anything about wanting an average QB?

Please explain.

I said I wouldn't want one of those 3 guys as our franchise QB. I don't think I lumped anyone else into that, did I?

Now, I will ask you. Would you be happy with any of those 3 guys as our Franchise QB? Would you be happy with drafting Stafford or Sanchez if we had a crystal ball and could see that is what they would amount to? Clearly, they are "Pro Bowl" QBs, so what do you think?

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-10-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

I said I wouldn't want one of those 3 guys as our franchise QB. I don't think I lumped anyone else into that, did I?

One of what three guys? Harrington? Are you asking me if with the number three overall pick, I'd be happy with production similar to Joey Harrington's in Detroit?

What the **** kind of question is that? Do you think I'm a moron?

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Now, I will ask you. Would you be happy with any of those 3 guys as our Franchise QB? Would you be happy with drafting Stafford or Sanchez if we had a crystal ball and could see that is what they would amount to? Clearly, they are "Pro Bowl" QBs, so what do you think?

Are you asking me if I'd be happy if the Chiefs got the kind of production out of the number three pick as Bulger, Hasselbeck and Delhomme?

I'd have to say yes. Why not? Two Super Bowl QB's? I'd take that.

**doomy3** · 02-10-2009, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

One of what three guys? Harrington? Are you asking me if with the number three overall pick, I'd be happy with production similar to Joey Harrington's in Detroit?

What the **** kind of question is that? Do you think I'm a moron?

Are you asking me if I'd be happy if the Chiefs got the kind of production out of the number three pick as Bulger, Hasselbeck and Delhomme?

I'd have to say yes. Why not? Two Super Bowl QB's? I'd take that.

Of course I'm not talking about Harrington. He was a bust at #3. Everyone but you knows that.

I was talking about Bulger, Hasselbeck and Delhomme.

Cool, that's what I wondered. I just don't feel that way. If we draft a QB at #3, I sure as shit hope he is better than the 15th ranked starting QB in the NFL. I want a guy like Manning, Brady, Brees.

**DeezNutz** · 02-10-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

No, I'm just ****ing around. Obviously a guy like Peyton Manning is an exception.

Look, if Pioli thinks either of these guys is Manning, Brady, Brees, or a few other guys, then of course take him. I don't think ANYONE on this board would argue otherwise, at least I hope not. But if that guys is Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, etc, who are all average to above average NFL QBs, I would rather roll with Thigpen and signing a vet to compete. Honestly in that scenario, I would recycle vets like Trent Green, Warner, etc.

But, if any QB in any year grades out to be a possible top 5 NFL QB, you do whatever you have to to get him.

We're in agreement.

My stance, though, is that it's far past time for this organization to take the risk.

Stafford and Sanchez might end up being only serviceable, and this would suck for a #3 overall pick. But, and here's the beauty, they might wildly exceed even high expectations.

You have to take that chance.