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Old 03-01-2009, 08:37 PM  
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Gretz: Cassel Trade Still Causing Talk
Cassel Trade Still Causing Talk
March 1, 2009 - Bob Gretz |

Could the Patriots have had a first and third-round picks for Matt Cassel? Could they have had at least the No. 12 choice for the New England quarterback? Did the Broncos really offer to trade Jay Cutler if they could get Cassel?

The NFL was still bubbling with chatter about the deal between the Chiefs and Patriots that sent Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel to Kansas City with a second-round draft choice heading to New England.

And if there are any truths to the stories being told around the league, then Saturday morning had to be a very interesting time for Bill Belichick and the Patriots.

Let’s see if we can weave all this together.

Everyone knew Friday that Vrabel was headed to the Chiefs. The fact he was in Kansas City for a physical was important because the linebacker apparently was bothered by a shoulder injury last season and some Boston media outlets have reported he needs surgery on that shoulder.

But while Vrabel was obviously important as far as the Chiefs and Scott Pioli were concerned, the rest of the league was not much interested in the veteran linebacker.

There was, however, interest in Cassel. But apparently, before Saturday there were not a lot of teams expressing that interest to the Patriots. Two factors may have held teams back: the $14.65 million franchise tag that Cassel carries and the fact that making a deal for the quarterback would require high draft choice compensation.

As the new NFL fiscal season started late Thursday evening, the Chiefs were the team standing at the counter, ready to place an order for Cassel. When nobody else showed up, Belilchick and Pioli put together the parameters of a deal.

That was in place Saturday morning. That’s when the rest of the league got wind of what the price tag was and suddenly, teams shifted into gear. Tampa Bay and Detroit reportedly were the two teams that expressed interest and they drew Denver into the situation.

Here’s what was going down, according to the NFL Network’s Adam Schefter: a three-team trade was proposed. Tampa Bay’s first round pick (No. 19) would go to New England. The Broncos would send Jay Cutler to the Bucs and the Patriots would send Cassel to Denver. Remember, former Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels is now the head coach of the Broncos.

Apparently when that wouldn’t come together, the Broncos offered their first-round pick (No. 12) straight up for Cassel and the Buccaneers offered a first and third round picks.

If any of this is true, then why is Cassel in Kansas City and not Denver or Tampa Bay? There can only be one answer: the Patriots deal with the Chiefs was done, and Belichick wasn’t going to back out at the last minute. That might be true with anyone in his dealings with anyone, but it would especially be true of someone who is a friend and former colleague.

If the bubbling grapevine is even close to accurate, and we’ll never know because Belichick and Pioli won’t talk about what happened, then Cassel is with the Chiefs because Pioli was a step ahead of the rest of the league.
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Old 03-02-2009, 12:53 AM   #61
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Oh, fair enough.
Actually, Other than picking on Waters for when Pioli and Haley told him to stop bothering them during FA, there really isnt much to complain about...

I think Scott Cassell, I mean Matt Mitchell, shit Sam Cassell, Matt Cassel will do an average job leading this team...

Better than Thigpen, but middle of the pack NFL... The kind of QB "true fans" masturbate about...
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Old 03-02-2009, 12:53 AM   #62
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Actually, Other than picking on Waters for when Pioli and Haley told him to stop bothering them during FA, there really isnt much to complain about...

I think Scott Cassell, I mean Matt Mitchell, shit Sam Cassell, Matt Cassel will do an average job leading this team...

Better than Thigpen, but middle of the pack NFL... The kind of QB "true fans" masturbate about...
Yeah, see, here we go...
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I think Scott Cassell, I mean Matt Mitchell, shit Sam Cassell, Matt Cassel will do an average job leading this team...

Better than Thigpen, but middle of the pack NFL... The kind of QB "true fans" masturbate about...
Shhhhhh! Better watch out, or ol' EBE "Bag O' Dicklestiens" will be along shortly to remind you that you're "twisting in the wind", or some other such douchelery nonsense...
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Hey I can make fun of the QB if I want...
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Like you, I wanted a QB at any cost. I never thought it was feasable to get a proven one (albeit just one season) for a 2nd. I'm eccstatic about the deal, and in keeping our #3, we can address one of the many other holes we already had. And with a franchise type player to boot. I can't believe the uproar this has caused. This might be the best deal ever struck by any Chiefs FO.
Plus, and I think is the most important point, has been on an nfl roster for 4 years.
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I think Scott Cassell, I mean Matt Mitchell, shit Sam Cassell, Matt Cassel will do an average job leading this team...

Better than Thigpen, but middle of the pack NFL... The kind of QB "true fans" masturbate about...
Big part of the problem is who we're they going to get at #3 at QB. The Savvy outspoken funloving extrovert superstar out of USC. That would be a spit in the face to everyone they claimed should adopt to the "Patriot way". If you talk the talk you walk the walk and unfortunatly there is no way they could keep the lockerroom if they had drafted Sanchez. This is "team first" Cassel and Vrable were brought in to show what "team first" means. There will be no superstars on this team, no Free agent monsters no larger then life draft picks.

Now I'm not saying Sanchez is a primadonna that couldnt adapt to the "patriot way" but a top 3 FRANCHISE QB sends a clear message to everyone.
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Big part of the problem is who we're they going to get at #3 at QB. The Savvy outspoken funloving extrovert superstar out of USC. That would be a spit in the face to everyone they claimed should adopt to the "Patriot way". If you talk the talk you walk the walk and unfortunatly there is no way they could keep the lockerroom if they had drafted Sanchez. This is "team first" Cassel and Vrable were brought in to show what "team first" means. There will be no superstars on this team, no Free agent monsters no larger then life draft picks.

Now I'm not saying Sanchez is a primadonna that couldnt adapt to the "patriot way" but a top 3 FRANCHISE QB sends a clear message to everyone.
Uhh, a Pats front office guy used a top 5 pick on Matt Ryan last year..Parcells himself took Bledsoe #1.
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That's kind of decieving. The only, ONLY, reason Cassel was franchised was to do exactly what they did. Trade him. Cassel walks for nothing if they don't tag him. The only issue was what they were going to recieve in the trade. Personally I think the Patriots got fleeced, but we'll find out.
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Uhh, a Pats front office guy used a top 5 pick on Matt Ryan last year..Parcells himself took Bledsoe #1.
True, well I dont know really. Im just thinking they are really trying to send some signals to the players about the organisation now.
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That's kind of decieving. The only, ONLY, reason Cassel was franchised was to do exactly what they did. Trade him. Cassel walks for nothing if they don't tag him. The only issue was what they were going to recieve in the trade. Personally I think the Patriots got fleeced, but we'll find out.
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True, well I dont know really. Im just thinking they are really trying to send some signals to the players about the organisation now.
If they're really trying to send a message all of the big mouth players will be moved off the team.
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If they're really trying to send a message all of the big mouth players will be moved off the team.
Give it time. Big mouthed players and lockerroom cancers are only a hot comodity in a handfull of teams right now.
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