Curry

[RedThat]

Honestly, who gives a sh*t where the guy is picked?

Like seriously who cares? Does it really matter?

If this guy can come in and develop into a really good player for the Chiefs either today or tomorrow are you gonna stop and think to yourself and say, you know, "he was the 3rd overall pick in the draft."

I mean my point is, if I had guys at linebacker such as Keith Bulluck, Derrick Brooks, Ray Lewis just to name a few, I wouldn't even be twice as concerned about where they were picked. You know why? Because their good football players and thats what matters. As long as they draft a guy and he is great, thats the bottomline...It's not rocket science.

If this guy comes in and contributes into an outstanding player and makes the probowl year after year are we seriously gonna look back and say "yeah but he was picked 3rd overall? I don't know?"

No offense to anybody here, but I read these statements time after time on here, i.e., "you don't take a LBer with the 3rd overall pick?" I just can't help but laugh everytime I hear that...It's so stupid LOL and very difficult to grasp.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by RedBull

Honestly, who gives a sh*t where the guy is picked?

Like seriously who cares? Does it really matter?

If this guy can come in and develop into a really good player for the Chiefs either today or tomorrow are you gonna stop and think to yourself and say, you know, "he was the 3rd overall pick in the draft."

I mean my point is, if I had guys at linebacker such as Keith Bulluck, Derrick Brooks, Ray Lewis just to name a few, I wouldn't even be twice as concerned about where they were picked. You know why? Because their good football players and thats what matters. As long as they draft a guy and he is great, thats the bottomline...It's not rocket science.

If this guy comes in and contributes into an outstanding player and makes the probowl year after year are we seriously gonna look back and say "yeah but he was picked 3rd overall? I don't know?"

No offense to anybody here, but I read these statements time after time on here, i.e., "you don't take a LBer with the 3rd overall pick?" I just can't help but laugh everytime I hear that...It's so stupid LOL and very difficult to grasp.

Yep, it's stupid.

So stupid, that an ILB has been taken 3rd or higher TWICE in 20 years.

Facts are stupid. Apparently, so are NFL GM's.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yep, it's stupid.

So stupid, that an ILB has been taken 3rd or higher TWICE in 20 years.

Facts are stupid. Apparently, so are NFL GM's.

So what?

What does that honestly have to do with anything?

You'd actually let those kinda facts blind you to the point where you'd rather not look on the inside on what really matters and counts whether this guy is a good player who can come in and contribute from day 1 and down the road.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by RedBull

So what?

What does that honestly have to do with anything?

You'd actually let those kinda facts blind you to the point where you'd rather not look on the inside on what really matters and counts whether this guy is a good player who can come in and contribute from day 1 and down the road.

Blind me? That's rich.

I'm not the one ignoring the past as is relates to positional value.

If it was generally considered a good idea by GM's to take ILB's that high, then BETTER players like Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher, Patrick Willis, etc would have gone that high, instead of being taken 26th, 9th and 11th respectively - all in very average draft classes.

Now, if you think that Curry is better than all of those players I listed, then this conversation is going nowhere - other than possibly the mental ward - you'd have to be certifiably insane to think that.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Blind me? That's rich.

I'm not the one ignoring the past as is relates to positional value.

If it was generally considered a good idea by GM's to take ILB's that high, then BETTER players like Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher, Patrick Willis, etc would have gone that high, instead of being taken 26th, 9th and 11th respectively - all in very average draft classes.

Now, if you think that Curry is better than all of those players I listed, then this conversation is going nowhere - other than possibly the mental ward - you'd have to be certifiably insane to think that.

Im ignoring that simply because I'd like to approach this whole thing with an open mind. I believe in how this team is going to evaluate and do there homework properly before they make their pick at #3. And honestly, thats everything right there. And what matters in the end.

I just don't agree with your approach on how you view whether a guy should be drafted or not.

At that time, there were higher rated prospects at the top of the draft class, and I think that pretty much explains it as to why those guys you mentioned were picked lower. Some worked out to be pretty good others not. But thats the draft right? Its pure hit or miss.

Curry is a highly rated prospect...Will he be good? Who knows? But if he is going in the top 5 that should say something. The least we can say is he is one of the better players coming out of the country. Not saying he'll be as good as those guys you mentioned, but what if he is? all Im saying is that if he is this whole "you don't draft LB in the top 3" will definately look really dumb.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RedBull

Im ignoring that simply because I'd like to approach this whole thing with an open mind. I believe in how this team is going to evaluate and do there homework properly before they make their pick at #3. And honestly, thats everything right there. And what matters in the end.

I just don't agree with your approach on how you view whether a guy should be drafted or not.

At that time, there were higher rated prospects at the top of the draft class, and I think that pretty much explains it as to why those guys you mentioned were picked lower. Some worked out to be pretty good others not. But thats the draft right? Its pure hit or miss.

Curry is a highly rated prospect...Will he be good? Who knows? But if he is going in the top 5 that should say something. The least we can say is he is one of the better players coming out of the country. Not saying he'll be as good as those guys you mentioned, but what if he is? all Im saying is that if he is this whole "you don't draft LB in the top 3" will definately look really dumb.

Interesting, I'm arguing from my side because I want to keep an open mind. Since I came back in January, I've read numerous posts stating that Curry is the only logical pick for us.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by RedBull

Honestly, who gives a sh*t where the guy is picked?

Like seriously who cares? Does it really matter?

If this guy can come in and develop into a really good player for the Chiefs either today or tomorrow are you gonna stop and think to yourself and say, you know, "he was the 3rd overall pick in the draft."

I mean my point is, if I had guys at linebacker such as Keith Bulluck, Derrick Brooks, Ray Lewis just to name a few, I wouldn't even be twice as concerned about where they were picked. You know why? Because their good football players and thats what matters. As long as they draft a guy and he is great, thats the bottomline...It's not rocket science.

If this guy comes in and contributes into an outstanding player and makes the probowl year after year are we seriously gonna look back and say "yeah but he was picked 3rd overall? I don't know?"

No offense to anybody here, but I read these statements time after time on here, i.e., "you don't take a LBer with the 3rd overall pick?" I just can't help but laugh everytime I hear that...It's so stupid LOL and very difficult to grasp.

OK, I'm certainly no draft guy, but the way I see it is that it is a matter of probability. GMs are looking to maximize the production for the team. If you get a franchise QB, the production he gives to a team is unmatched. Therefore a higher value. Compared to a guard, even Will Shields can't produce nearly as much as a decent QB.
It is possible for an ILB to produce at a high level for the team, but it is historically more PROBABLE that you can get production from other positions with the players available at that position. Also factored in is what you can get later in the draft.

IMO that's the reason ILB aren't picked that high.

Hopefully that is a decent explainer.

Is Ray Lewis worth pick #3? Yes. But what's the probability you get Ray Lewis-type production from the pick compared to the probability of production from other guys available?
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[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

OK, I'm certainly no draft guy, but the way I see it is that it is a matter of probability. GMs are looking to maximize the production for the team. If you get a franchise QB, the production he gives to a team is unmatched. Therefore a higher value. Compared to a guard, even Will Shields can't produce nearly as much as a decent QB.
It is possible for an ILB to produce at a high level for the team, but it is historically more PROBABLE that you can get production from other positions with the players available at that position. Also factored in is what you can get later in the draft.

IMO that's the reason ILB aren't picked that high.

Hopefully that is a decent explainer.

Is Ray Lewis worth pick #3? Yes. But what's the probability you get Ray Lewis-type production from the pick compared to the probability of production from other guys available?
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Exactly.