Curry

[RustShack]

They were just saying on ESPN that he wouldn't be a very good fit for the Chiefs 3-4 defense but they should draft him anyways.

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by Mecca

As an inside backer sure...outside backer not so much.

Guys like Bulluck are nice pieces to have but would you use a top 5 pick on the guy?

This explained in no way, shape or form how Bullock is a bad fit in the 3-4. Ok now explain why he is a bad fit in the 3-4.

[philfree]

So at 6' 242 lbs James Harrison can play ROLB and learn to rush the passer as his career progresses but a guy like Curry can't? Harrison doesn't have alot of pass rush moves either but he had how many sacks the last two years compared to his first years in the league? 8.5 in 2007 and 16 in 2008. Before that he had 4 sacks in 3 years.

PhilFree

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by philfree

So at 6' 242 lbs James Harrison can play ROLB and learn to rush the passer as his career progresses but a guy like Curry can't? Harrison doesn't have alot of pass rush moves either but he had how many sacks the last two years compared to his first years in the league? 8.5 in 2007 and 16 in 2008. Before that he had 4 sacks in 3 years.

PhilFree

You're comparing an undrafted free agent who didn't start until his fourth season in the league to a prospect being considered for the #3 pick overall?

Oh, my.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by philfree

So at 6' 242 lbs James Harrison can play ROLB and learn to rush the passer as his career progresses but a guy like Curry can't? Harrison doesn't have alot of pass rush moves either but he had how many sacks the last two years compared to his first years in the league? 8.5 in 2007 and 16 in 2008. Before that he had 4 sacks in 3 years.

PhilFree

IF Curry is drafted #3 overall, he better have more impact than UDFA had in his first 3 years...

Maybe we should compare apples to apples and not apples to hazzlenuts...

Curry better ****ing set the defense on fire, lead the team in almost every defensive category for years to come if we are going to waste a Top #3 and reach for him... Other wise, he will be labeled a bust from day one.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by philfree

So at 6' 242 lbs James Harrison can play ROLB and learn to rush the passer as his career progresses but a guy like Curry can't? Harrison doesn't have alot of pass rush moves either but he had how many sacks the last two years compared to his first years in the league? 8.5 in 2007 and 16 in 2008. Before that he had 4 sacks in 3 years.

PhilFree

Well, let's see.

James Harrison is JUST NOW getting his big money deal, AFTER he proved that he could rush the passer.

You're wanting to pay Curry MORE than Harrison will get AFTER HE PROVED IT, before Curry has played a single down.

Sounds like a great plan.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Well, let's see.

James Harrison is JUST NOW getting his big money deal, AFTER he proved that he could rush the passer.

You're wanting to pay Curry MORE than Harrison will get AFTER HE PROVED IT, before Curry has played a single down.

Sounds like a great plan.

Every single rookie is getting paid before they have played a single down.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Every single rookie is getting paid before they have played a single down.

Some positions are more worth it than others.

EDIT: Furthermore, I'm not paying that much money for a guy that MIGHT be able to rush the passer.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Some positions are more worth it than others.

EDIT: Furthermore, I'm not paying that much money for a guy that MIGHT be able to rush the passer.

Just because someone did it in college, doesn't mean they will be able to do it in the NFL. Right now everyone is "might". It's just a degree of the dreaded "safe" word.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Just because someone did it in college, doesn't mean they will be able to do it in the NFL. Right now everyone is "might". It's just a degree of the dreaded "safe" word.

No, you're absolutely right.

But the converse is also true. He didn't do it in college, so any belief that he can do it in the NFL is based on faith, not fact. I don't spend $60M based on faith.

[RedThat]

Honestly, who gives a sh*t where the guy is picked?

Like seriously who cares? Does it really matter?

If this guy can come in and develop into a really good player for the Chiefs either today or tomorrow are you gonna stop and think to yourself and say, you know, "he was the 3rd overall pick in the draft."

I mean my point is, if I had guys at linebacker such as Keith Bulluck, Derrick Brooks, Ray Lewis just to name a few, I wouldn't even be twice as concerned about where they were picked. You know why? Because their good football players and thats what matters. As long as they draft a guy and he is great, thats the bottomline...It's not rocket science.

If this guy comes in and contributes into an outstanding player and makes the probowl year after year are we seriously gonna look back and say "yeah but he was picked 3rd overall? I don't know?"

No offense to anybody here, but I read these statements time after time on here, i.e., "you don't take a LBer with the 3rd overall pick?" I just can't help but laugh everytime I hear that...It's so stupid LOL and very difficult to grasp.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by RedBull

Honestly, who gives a sh*t where the guy is picked?

Like seriously who cares? Does it really matter?

If this guy can come in and develop into a really good player for the Chiefs either today or tomorrow are you gonna stop and think to yourself and say, you know, "he was the 3rd overall pick in the draft."

I mean my point is, if I had guys at linebacker such as Keith Bulluck, Derrick Brooks, Ray Lewis just to name a few, I wouldn't even be twice as concerned about where they were picked. You know why? Because their good football players and thats what matters. As long as they draft a guy and he is great, thats the bottomline...It's not rocket science.

If this guy comes in and contributes into an outstanding player and makes the probowl year after year are we seriously gonna look back and say "yeah but he was picked 3rd overall? I don't know?"

No offense to anybody here, but I read these statements time after time on here, i.e., "you don't take a LBer with the 3rd overall pick?" I just can't help but laugh everytime I hear that...It's so stupid LOL and very difficult to grasp.

Yep, it's stupid.

So stupid, that an ILB has been taken 3rd or higher TWICE in 20 years.

Facts are stupid. Apparently, so are NFL GM's.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

No, you're absolutely right.

But the converse is also true. He didn't do it in college, so any belief that he can do it in the NFL is based on faith, not fact. I don't spend $60M based on faith.

Sure you do. You said you like Stafford and Sanchez. How did Stafford do against Florida in a big game? Sanchez hasn't had to come from behind to win games. Are you going to spend 60 million on a QB that comes up empty in big games, or on a different QB who hasn't proven he can come from behind?

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yep, it's stupid.

So stupid, that an ILB has been taken 3rd or higher TWICE in 20 years.

Facts are stupid. Apparently, so are NFL GM's.

So what?

What does that honestly have to do with anything?

You'd actually let those kinda facts blind you to the point where you'd rather not look on the inside on what really matters and counts whether this guy is a good player who can come in and contribute from day 1 and down the road.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by RedBull

So what?

What does that honestly have to do with anything?

You'd actually let those kinda facts blind you to the point where you'd rather not look on the inside on what really matters and counts whether this guy is a good player who can come in and contribute from day 1 and down the road.

Blind me? That's rich.

I'm not the one ignoring the past as is relates to positional value.

If it was generally considered a good idea by GM's to take ILB's that high, then BETTER players like Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher, Patrick Willis, etc would have gone that high, instead of being taken 26th, 9th and 11th respectively - all in very average draft classes.

Now, if you think that Curry is better than all of those players I listed, then this conversation is going nowhere - other than possibly the mental ward - you'd have to be certifiably insane to think that.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by RedBull

Honestly, who gives a sh*t where the guy is picked?

Like seriously who cares? Does it really matter?

If this guy can come in and develop into a really good player for the Chiefs either today or tomorrow are you gonna stop and think to yourself and say, you know, "he was the 3rd overall pick in the draft."

I mean my point is, if I had guys at linebacker such as Keith Bulluck, Derrick Brooks, Ray Lewis just to name a few, I wouldn't even be twice as concerned about where they were picked. You know why? Because their good football players and thats what matters. As long as they draft a guy and he is great, thats the bottomline...It's not rocket science.

If this guy comes in and contributes into an outstanding player and makes the probowl year after year are we seriously gonna look back and say "yeah but he was picked 3rd overall? I don't know?"

No offense to anybody here, but I read these statements time after time on here, i.e., "you don't take a LBer with the 3rd overall pick?" I just can't help but laugh everytime I hear that...It's so stupid LOL and very difficult to grasp.

OK, I'm certainly no draft guy, but the way I see it is that it is a matter of probability. GMs are looking to maximize the production for the team. If you get a franchise QB, the production he gives to a team is unmatched. Therefore a higher value. Compared to a guard, even Will Shields can't produce nearly as much as a decent QB.
It is possible for an ILB to produce at a high level for the team, but it is historically more PROBABLE that you can get production from other positions with the players available at that position. Also factored in is what you can get later in the draft.

IMO that's the reason ILB aren't picked that high.

Hopefully that is a decent explainer.

Is Ray Lewis worth pick #3? Yes. But what's the probability you get Ray Lewis-type production from the pick compared to the probability of production from other guys available?
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