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Old 08-31-2009, 10:29 PM  
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Overall Evaluation of our 2009 Draft picks.
Jackson seems to be the real deal. How about the rest of our picks?

I would love to hear what our insightful posters takes are.
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Old 09-02-2009, 04:16 PM   #76
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I believe it is and he's calling you out for your exceptionally shallow opinion.

Just because Pioli and Haley think something, that doesn't make it right. Nor does it mean that anyone that opposes them is incorrect.

You just dropped the ultimate in Bush-league, copout responses.
Wasn't a copout. If you got something to be negative about, then fine. But to summarily dismiss nearly the entire 2009 draft at this point is unnecessary and stupid. And my opinion isn't shallow. Look in the mirror, friend.
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Old 09-02-2009, 04:18 PM   #77
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The premise of the thread is stupid, but um dude when the team is coming off a 2-14 season fans have a right to be negative.
New owner, new GM, new coach. Hard for me to hold them accountable for the Peterson/Edwards two year abortion.
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Old 09-02-2009, 04:19 PM   #78
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New owner, new GM, new coach. Hard for me to hold them accountable for the Peterson/Edwards two year abortion.
Sure but they can be held accountable for moves they made this offseason, which right now doesn't look like anything to thrilling.
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Old 09-02-2009, 04:25 PM   #79
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Looking back, the only pick I didn't like was the Alex Magee pick. Not because I didn't think he had the skill, but because Haley and Pioli had to know they were moving Dorsey to an end position, and the back to back position picks didn't seem to make much sense with all of the other holes on the roster.
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Sure but they can be held accountable for moves they made this offseason, which right now doesn't look like anything to thrilling.
WTF? You don't build Rome in a day. And not one regular season game has been played yet. And to dismiss the draft is nothing more than taking a negative position. It's a pose. I'm not saying Pioli is infallible. But $hit, the guy has a pedigree worthy of a little patience. If you're going to bitch, make it a legit bitch. That's all I'm saying.
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Old 09-02-2009, 04:28 PM   #81
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New owner, new GM, new coach. Hard for me to hold them accountable for the Peterson/Edwards two year abortion.
I've been pretty vocal about how much I hate Carl Peterson, and was very excited to get Pioli.

But we have to be careful not to give Pioli a free ride just because he's not Carl Peterson. I agree with the direction he's taking the defense, but I think he made a very costly error on the offensive side and I have a feeling that he knows it.
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Old 09-02-2009, 04:30 PM   #82
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I've been pretty vocal about how much I hate Carl Peterson, and was very excited to get Pioli.

But we have to be careful not to give Pioli a free ride just because he's not Carl Peterson. I agree with the direction he's taking the defense, but I think he made a very costly error on the offensive side and I have a feeling that he knows it.
Now I can get onboard with this. Why pay Cassel the mad $$ and stick him behind an o-line with a crumbling right side? Legit question. Thank you.
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and look how that worked out...

we have one guy (Flowers) that looks like a pro bowler...everyone else?

Meh.

Charles 3rd down specialist, Carr decent...Dorsey? Who knows...Cottam (bust)...Morgan (bust)...Franklin (cut)...that draft ended up being what? So far a C with a little upside (Dorsey)?
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Old 09-02-2009, 04:34 PM   #84
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Someone, I want to say it was Dane but I'm not sure, after the dragt happened had some good insight. Whomever made the comment noted that the picks weren't "Pioli type picks". The picks were all physical specimens. Especially after the 2 DEs. The poster then went on to suggest that since Pioli was late to the game and had to use the in-house scouts (you'll remember they got promptly SHITCANNED) that he chose the guys with the greatest upside.

Valid point of discussion. We have no way of knowing, but it is a good possibility.
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Now I can get onboard with this. Why pay Cassel the mad $$ and stick him behind an o-line with a crumbling right side? Legit question. Thank you.
And that was the gist of Dane's post.

Somehow, Pioli and Haley failed to recognize the absolute dogshit that makes up at least 3/5s of the the Chiefs O-Line and failed to address with more than a suck ass declining vet.
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Sure but they can be held accountable for moves they made this offseason, which right now doesn't look like anything to thrilling.

It is all about "opportunity cost." Granted, Pioli and Haley were handed a pretty sorry roster. The biggest "beefs" are

1. Why the "urgent need" to switch to 3-4 when most of the DLs and LBs on the roster were much better suited for 4-3? Hilariously enough, Oracle Bill has the Pats fiddling with a 4-3, precisely because Mayo is the ultimate 4-3 MLB (and Tedy was letting it be known he may decide to not play this year). I particularly question why it was necessary to not offer Jason Babin even a one year minimum deal to stay. Babin had clearly "failed" as a 3-4 OLB. In the final two or three games last year, Babin's light seemed to go from total darkness to flicker. Because the existing DLs were more 4-3 than 3-4, that appears to have "forced" the pick of T-Jax (and perhaps Magee). OPPORTUNITY COST - Eugene Monroe.

2. The trade for Cassel and getting the "young QB of the future" before the OL was fixed.

3. The picks after Magee in the Draft are, in my opinion, particularly disappointing. The best player the Chiefs landed this offseason after Magee was Darryl Harris, and that was pure luck, as the GM assumes "try out players" are not even worthy of camp fodder status. This Draft had some serious players late and undrafted besides Harris, and I think Pioli really whiffed on all of them (exclude Lawrence, as I have not watched him).
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You know what I find amusing...the only Patriots assistant that is finding any success is the one that didn't force his team into 3-4.
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It is all about "opportunity cost." Granted, Pioli and Haley were handed a pretty sorry roster. The biggest "beefs" are

1. Why the "urgent need" to switch to 3-4 when most of the DLs and LBs on the roster were much better suited for 4-3? Hilariously enough, Oracle Bill has the Pats fiddling with a 4-3, precisely because Mayo is the ultimate 4-3 MLB (and Tedy was letting it be known he may decide to not play this year). I particularly question why it was necessary to not offer Jason Babin even a one year minimum deal to stay. Babin had clearly "failed" as a 3-4 OLB. In the final two or three games last year, Babin's light seemed to go from total darkness to flicker. Because the existing DLs were more 4-3 than 3-4, that appears to have "forced" the pick of T-Jax (and perhaps Magee). OPPORTUNITY COST - Eugene Monroe.

2. The trade for Cassel and getting the "young QB of the future" before the OL was fixed.

3. The picks after Magee in the Draft are, in my opinion, particularly disappointing. The best player the Chiefs landed this offseason after Magee was Darryl Harris, and that was pure luck, as the GM assumes "try out players" are not even worthy of camp fodder status. This Draft had some serious players late and undrafted besides Harris, and I think Pioli really whiffed on all of them (exclude Lawrence, as I have not watched him).
What's so interesting about Pioli's decision to move to a 3-4, is that despite putting almost all of our resources into a 3-4, we haven't even committed to it. The only guy who I think would not fit into a 3-4 on our current roster is Mike Vrabel. Most of the other guys can play either/or and most of them are better off in a 4-3. You could argue that asking Hali to play a few pounds lighter made him more of a 3-4 guy, but he could easily add those lbs. back next year.
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