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Old 09-02-2009, 04:15 PM   #1
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First off, this thread is silly: it's WAY too early to evaluate this draft.

What I don't get is how someone can post "Face it: There was a gross misjudgment of talent, both on the Chiefs existing roster and in the 2009 NFL Draft." If you're a Chiefs' fan, why post negative crap on something like this? There's other legit things to bitch about. Whatever. It's obvious that the "glass is half empty" crowd is here to stay.
The premise of the thread is stupid, but um dude when the team is coming off a 2-14 season fans have a right to be negative.
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Old 09-02-2009, 04:18 PM   #2
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The premise of the thread is stupid, but um dude when the team is coming off a 2-14 season fans have a right to be negative.
New owner, new GM, new coach. Hard for me to hold them accountable for the Peterson/Edwards two year abortion.
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Old 09-02-2009, 04:19 PM   #3
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New owner, new GM, new coach. Hard for me to hold them accountable for the Peterson/Edwards two year abortion.
Sure but they can be held accountable for moves they made this offseason, which right now doesn't look like anything to thrilling.
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Old 09-02-2009, 04:27 PM   #4
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Sure but they can be held accountable for moves they made this offseason, which right now doesn't look like anything to thrilling.
WTF? You don't build Rome in a day. And not one regular season game has been played yet. And to dismiss the draft is nothing more than taking a negative position. It's a pose. I'm not saying Pioli is infallible. But $hit, the guy has a pedigree worthy of a little patience. If you're going to bitch, make it a legit bitch. That's all I'm saying.
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Old 09-02-2009, 04:35 PM   #5
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Sure but they can be held accountable for moves they made this offseason, which right now doesn't look like anything to thrilling.

It is all about "opportunity cost." Granted, Pioli and Haley were handed a pretty sorry roster. The biggest "beefs" are

1. Why the "urgent need" to switch to 3-4 when most of the DLs and LBs on the roster were much better suited for 4-3? Hilariously enough, Oracle Bill has the Pats fiddling with a 4-3, precisely because Mayo is the ultimate 4-3 MLB (and Tedy was letting it be known he may decide to not play this year). I particularly question why it was necessary to not offer Jason Babin even a one year minimum deal to stay. Babin had clearly "failed" as a 3-4 OLB. In the final two or three games last year, Babin's light seemed to go from total darkness to flicker. Because the existing DLs were more 4-3 than 3-4, that appears to have "forced" the pick of T-Jax (and perhaps Magee). OPPORTUNITY COST - Eugene Monroe.

2. The trade for Cassel and getting the "young QB of the future" before the OL was fixed.

3. The picks after Magee in the Draft are, in my opinion, particularly disappointing. The best player the Chiefs landed this offseason after Magee was Darryl Harris, and that was pure luck, as the GM assumes "try out players" are not even worthy of camp fodder status. This Draft had some serious players late and undrafted besides Harris, and I think Pioli really whiffed on all of them (exclude Lawrence, as I have not watched him).
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It is all about "opportunity cost." Granted, Pioli and Haley were handed a pretty sorry roster. The biggest "beefs" are

1. Why the "urgent need" to switch to 3-4 when most of the DLs and LBs on the roster were much better suited for 4-3? Hilariously enough, Oracle Bill has the Pats fiddling with a 4-3, precisely because Mayo is the ultimate 4-3 MLB (and Tedy was letting it be known he may decide to not play this year). I particularly question why it was necessary to not offer Jason Babin even a one year minimum deal to stay. Babin had clearly "failed" as a 3-4 OLB. In the final two or three games last year, Babin's light seemed to go from total darkness to flicker. Because the existing DLs were more 4-3 than 3-4, that appears to have "forced" the pick of T-Jax (and perhaps Magee). OPPORTUNITY COST - Eugene Monroe.

2. The trade for Cassel and getting the "young QB of the future" before the OL was fixed.

3. The picks after Magee in the Draft are, in my opinion, particularly disappointing. The best player the Chiefs landed this offseason after Magee was Darryl Harris, and that was pure luck, as the GM assumes "try out players" are not even worthy of camp fodder status. This Draft had some serious players late and undrafted besides Harris, and I think Pioli really whiffed on all of them (exclude Lawrence, as I have not watched him).
What's so interesting about Pioli's decision to move to a 3-4, is that despite putting almost all of our resources into a 3-4, we haven't even committed to it. The only guy who I think would not fit into a 3-4 on our current roster is Mike Vrabel. Most of the other guys can play either/or and most of them are better off in a 4-3. You could argue that asking Hali to play a few pounds lighter made him more of a 3-4 guy, but he could easily add those lbs. back next year.
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Old 09-02-2009, 04:28 PM   #7
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New owner, new GM, new coach. Hard for me to hold them accountable for the Peterson/Edwards two year abortion.
I've been pretty vocal about how much I hate Carl Peterson, and was very excited to get Pioli.

But we have to be careful not to give Pioli a free ride just because he's not Carl Peterson. I agree with the direction he's taking the defense, but I think he made a very costly error on the offensive side and I have a feeling that he knows it.
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Old 09-02-2009, 04:30 PM   #8
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I've been pretty vocal about how much I hate Carl Peterson, and was very excited to get Pioli.

But we have to be careful not to give Pioli a free ride just because he's not Carl Peterson. I agree with the direction he's taking the defense, but I think he made a very costly error on the offensive side and I have a feeling that he knows it.
Now I can get onboard with this. Why pay Cassel the mad $$ and stick him behind an o-line with a crumbling right side? Legit question. Thank you.
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Now I can get onboard with this. Why pay Cassel the mad $$ and stick him behind an o-line with a crumbling right side? Legit question. Thank you.
And that was the gist of Dane's post.

Somehow, Pioli and Haley failed to recognize the absolute dogshit that makes up at least 3/5s of the the Chiefs O-Line and failed to address with more than a suck ass declining vet.
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And that was the gist of Dane's post.

Somehow, Pioli and Haley failed to recognize the absolute dogshit that makes up at least 3/5s of the the Chiefs O-Line and failed to address with more than a suck ass declining vet.
Okay, after rereading Dane's post and one of his prior posts that I initially missed: he does seem most concerned about the positions drafted and not drafted. So my apologies to Dane on that. [Although he does question the talent level of some picks and their ability to play in the NFL, which I have a problem with.] I'm not an advocate of blind homerism, but I do get tired of the negativity. So Dane, my apologies for missing your earlier post and not getting all of your argument clearly. That said, I think it's fair to give the Pioli regime a chance to complete some regular season games before I prejudge their draft/personnel moves.
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