what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk?

[wutamess]

OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me.

I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid.

I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton.

I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Milkman's gout must be acting up.

This!

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by wutamess

RB's still accounted for almost 1000 of those yards... Whether it was Priest, Johnson, Blaylock or T. Rich... point still valid.

Running backs accounted for 829 of Green's 4,591 yards that year. (18 percent)

That same year Manning's RBs accounted for 11 percent of his yardage.

Culpepper's RBs - 22.7 percent

Favre's RBs - 20.1 percent

Those are the top 4 passing QBs that year.

So your point that Green was only throwing for a lot of yards because of running backs is flat out bullshit. Unless you want to tell us that 2004 Brett Favre was overrated, too.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by wutamess

THIS! I've said it form day 1.
Although... Cassle STILL led the league in sacks that year.

Not sure what you're getting at.

YAC, in large part, is a product of the QB delivering the ball accurately and on time.

In New England, McDumbass kept it as simple as he could for Cassel, and essentially ran a college spread in order to maximize Cassel's production.

When it gets more complicated than that, Cassel can not deliver the ball accurately and on time.

As for Orton, while he can do this in a more complicated offense, he absolutely has to have everything working for him to be effective.

If things start to break down, he is terrible.

I want a QB that can carry his team when things break down.

I don't want a QB that has to be carried, and Orton is one that has to be carried.

[Beef Supreme]

Still makes sense to try and secure Orton as a stop gap until we find that guy. Anything that gets Cassel the hell off this team.

[Denny]

Originally Posted by milkman

Not sure what you're getting at.

YAC, in large part, is a product of the QB delivering the ball accurately and on time.

In New England, McDumbass kept it as simple as he could for Cassel, and essentially ran a college spread in order to maximize Cassel's production.

When it gets more complicated than that, Cassel can not deliver the ball accurately and on time.

As for Orton, while he can do this in a more complicated offense, he absolutely has to have everything working for him to be effective.

If things start to break down, he is terrible.

I want a QB that can carry his team when things break down.

I don't want a QB that has to be carried, and Orton is one that has to be carried.

Orton doesn't need EVERYTHING else working to be effective. But he does need SOMETHING else working.

In this era a free agency and salary caps, teams can no longer build dynastic teams that are strong EVERYWHERE. So they have to pick and choose where they focus their strengths. Passing Offense, Running Offense, Special Teams, or Defense. Teams need to have it working in at least TWO of those areas to be successful. No NFL QB is going to get very far nowadays without some help from one of those other areas.

Give Orton a team that's decent in any one of those areas and he can run a passing Offense well enough for a winning team. Last weekend, I saw a Chiefs team that was executing well on Defense and running the ball well. That allowed the passing game some room to work and the result was a win over the unbeaten defending SB Champs...

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Denny

Give Orton a team that's decent in any one of those areas and he can run a passing Offense well enough for a winning team.

"well enough for a winning team". Great! Chiefs fans, don't ever change.

[the Talking Can]

i can not believe there is an Orton fanboi...

[Denny]

Originally Posted by Brock

"well enough for a winning team". Great! Chiefs fans, don't ever change.

Why do fans always expect their teams to magically transform from a dumpster fire into world-beating Super Bowl Champs by simply drafting some flashy college QB?

Football is very much a TEAM sport. It takes more than a single player to win.

At any given time there's probably 3-4 QBs in the NFL capable of transforming a team - see Indy with and without Peyton Manning. That leaves 28 teams without such a transforming player - and virtually no chance of acquiring one. Yet the teams without those elite QBs still manage to win. See the 49ers this year.

So, do you keep beating your head against the wall wishing the QB-fairy would finally visit your team, or do you go with the best QB available and build the best team that you can?

I don't think that KC's problem has been the lack of an elite QB. It's been a lack of commitment in building a great team overall.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

This thread took a turn for exactly what I claimed about Chiefs fans.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

This thread took a turn for exactly what I claimed about Chiefs fans.

What did you win?

[Okie_Apparition]

DurangoOrtonStalker did show up
awesome

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Denny

Why do fans always expect their teams to magically transform from a dumpster fire into world-beating Super Bowl Champs by simply drafting some flashy college QB?

Football is very much a TEAM sport. It takes more than a single player to win.

At any given time there's probably 3-4 QBs in the NFL capable of transforming a team - see Indy with and without Peyton Manning. That leaves 28 teams without such a transforming player - and virtually no chance of acquiring one. Yet the teams without those elite QBs still manage to win. See the 49ers this year.

So, do you keep beating your head against the wall wishing the QB-fairy would finally visit your team, or do you go with the best QB available and build the best team that you can?

I don't think that KC's problem has been the lack of an elite QB. It's been a lack of commitment in building a great team overall.

This kind of thinking is why this team is always an also-ran. You can be stacked at every single position except QB and hope to be the 2000 Ravens or the 2002 Buccaneers, or you can realize that there is no bigger factor in having a championship team than having a franchise QB.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

What did you win?

Years of continued torment watching this team go nowhere as the front office continues to placate the fanbase with another mediocre quarterback because we just need to fix the lines.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Denny

I don't think that KC's problem has been the lack of an elite QB. It's been a lack of commitment in building a great team overall.

That explains why we have playoff losses to teams quarterbacked by Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, John Elway and Peyton Manning in the last 18 years.

[Denny]

Originally Posted by Brock

This kind of thinking is why this team is always an also-ran. You can be stacked at every single position except QB and hope to be the 2000 Ravens or the 2002 Buccaneers, or you can realize that there is no bigger factor in having a championship team than having a franchise QB.

But building a solid all-around team with a solid QB is a LOT EASIER to do than finding an "elite QB." Too many teams ignore doing the rest of the work as they engage on one wild-goose-chase after another seeking the semi-mythical "great" QB.

No one says that you can keep looking for a great QB while you build a good overall team. If one comes along, sure - grab him.

But that's not what happens. Teams throw away solid QBs that they can win a lot a games with in a frantic, panicked search for "THE GUY." Squandering resources grabbing up one false hope after another.

Or else the Front Office uses the QB position as an excuse why they can't build a winner, rather than admitting to their own incompetence...