Chiefs are 63m under the cap

[Messier]

Originally Posted by milkman

And yes, Kolb and Skelton were better than Cassel, and it isn't even debatable.

I know we all hate Cassel, but this is wrong.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Messier

I know we all hate Cassel, but this is wrong.

I don't think Kolb is better than Cassel, but I agree with him on Skelton.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by -King-

I don't think Kolb is better than Cassel, but I agree with him on Skelton.

I really didn't see Skelton play very much. I went and looked at his stats and they're not impressive. He's started a total of 11 games over his first two seasons. I think I'd need to see him for a full year, because Elvis Grbac looked really impressive when he had 5 starts for the 49ers.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Messier

I know we all hate Cassel, but this is wrong.

Last season, Kolb and Skelton each started 8 games, and each had more 200 yard passing games in their respective 8 starts than Matt Cassel had in his 15 starts in 2010.

Skelton had two really bad games, one with 99 yards, the other with 115 yards.

He really played really well down the stretch in leading the Cardinals to 3 wins in their last 4 games, including a win against the 9ers.

Kid has upside.

Kevin Kolb had a single game in which he passed for fewer than 200 yards, a 153 yard game against the Ravens.

The Cardinals gave up too much for him, and he likely will not be starting in a couple of years, but he's still better than Cassel, and so is Skelton.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by milkman

Last season, Kolb and Skelton each started 8 games, and each had more 200 yard passing games in their respective 8 starts than Matt Cassel had in his 15 starts in 2010.

Skelton had two really bad games, one with 99 yards, the other with 115 yards.

He really played really well down the stretch in leading the Cardinals to 3 wins in their last 4 games, including a win against the 9ers.

Kid has upside.

Kevin Kolb had a single game in which he passed for fewer than 200 yards, a 153 yard game against the Ravens.

The Cardinals gave up too much for him, and he likely will not be starting in a couple of years, but he's still better than Cassel, and so is Skelton.

Sounds like you're basing your opinion on passing yards per game. I don't know if that tells you much. Cassel has the second most passing yards in a single game in Chiefs history.

Skelton and Kolb might be better than Cassel, (although, I doubt it with Kolb) but it's early to say it isn't debatable.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Messier

Sounds like you're basing your opinion on passing yards per game. I don't know if that tells you much. Cassel has the second most passing yards in a single game in Chiefs history.

Skelton and Kolb might be better than Cassel, (although, I doubt it with Kolb) but it's early to say it isn't debatable.

I'm basing it more on what I've seen, and providing numbers that speak to a measure of consistency that Cassel has lacked from the first game he stepped on the field for the Patriots, and more to his lack of consistency as a Chief, where he has been asked to do more than Josh McDaniels asked of him in New England.

Both Kolb and Skelton played more consistently, and better than Cassel

[Messier]

Originally Posted by milkman

I'm basing it more on what I've seen, and providing numbers that speak to a measure of consistency that Cassel has lacked from the first game he stepped on the field for the Patriots, and more to his lack of consistency as a Chief, where he has been asked to do more than Josh McDaniels asked of him in New England.

Both Kolb and Skelton played more consistently, and better than Cassel

Not a big enough sample size to judge. I'd want to see a full season of starts.

You said yourself Skelton had a few down games.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Messier

Not a big enough sample size to judge. I'd want to see a full season of starts.

You said yourself Skelton had a few down games.

This isn't about how they'll perform next year, or the season after.

This is about the fact that they provided more consistent QB play in 2011 than Matt Cassel has provided at any time since he began his career as a starter, including 2010.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by milkman

This isn't about how they'll perform next year, or the season after.

This is about the fact that they provided more consistent QB play in 2011 than Matt Cassel has provided at any time since he began his career as a starter, including 2010.

But Skelton hasn't started a full season yet, not even half. I've seen Kolb play as bad as Cassle on his worst day before. Like I said, for five games in 1996, Grbac looked unstoppable.

How can you say someone is more consistent when they haven't played nearly as many games?