Chiefs are 63m under the cap

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Always KC. RT @MattPomPom Teams with most salary cap room(in millions): KC $63, TB $60, CIN $60, DEN $51, WAS $48, JAC $45.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Messier

Sounds like you're basing your opinion on passing yards per game. I don't know if that tells you much. Cassel has the second most passing yards in a single game in Chiefs history.

Skelton and Kolb might be better than Cassel, (although, I doubt it with Kolb) but it's early to say it isn't debatable.

I'm basing it more on what I've seen, and providing numbers that speak to a measure of consistency that Cassel has lacked from the first game he stepped on the field for the Patriots, and more to his lack of consistency as a Chief, where he has been asked to do more than Josh McDaniels asked of him in New England.

Both Kolb and Skelton played more consistently, and better than Cassel

[Messier]

Originally Posted by milkman

I'm basing it more on what I've seen, and providing numbers that speak to a measure of consistency that Cassel has lacked from the first game he stepped on the field for the Patriots, and more to his lack of consistency as a Chief, where he has been asked to do more than Josh McDaniels asked of him in New England.

Both Kolb and Skelton played more consistently, and better than Cassel

Not a big enough sample size to judge. I'd want to see a full season of starts.

You said yourself Skelton had a few down games.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Messier

Not a big enough sample size to judge. I'd want to see a full season of starts.

You said yourself Skelton had a few down games.

This isn't about how they'll perform next year, or the season after.

This is about the fact that they provided more consistent QB play in 2011 than Matt Cassel has provided at any time since he began his career as a starter, including 2010.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by milkman

This isn't about how they'll perform next year, or the season after.

This is about the fact that they provided more consistent QB play in 2011 than Matt Cassel has provided at any time since he began his career as a starter, including 2010.

But Skelton hasn't started a full season yet, not even half. I've seen Kolb play as bad as Cassle on his worst day before. Like I said, for five games in 1996, Grbac looked unstoppable.

How can you say someone is more consistent when they haven't played nearly as many games?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Messier

But Skelton hasn't started a full season yet, not even half. I've seen Kolb play as bad as Cassle on his worst day before. Like I said, for five games in 1996, Grbac looked unstoppable.

How can you say someone is more consistent when they haven't played nearly as many games?

I said they were more consistent in their 8 starts.

I didn't say that they will always be more consistent.

But in the games they played, they were more consistent than Matt Cassel has been in any stretch in his career.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by milkman

I said they were more consistent in their 8 starts.

I didn't say that they will always be more consistent.

But in the games they played, they were more consistent than Matt Cassel has been in any stretch in his career.

In that 8 game stretch Skelton was 6-2, with two games against the 49ers, Cleveland and Seattle. He threw 13 TDs and 16 INTs. He had two games over 300 yds, and four games over 200. He had one game with a QB rating over 100.

A 8 game stretch in 2010 Cassel was 5-3 against some bad teams. He threw 19 TDs and 1 INT. He had one game with over 400 yds, and three games over 200. He had five games with over a 100 QB rating.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by Messier

In that 8 game stretch Skelton was 6-2, with two games against the 49ers, Cleveland and Seattle. He threw 13 TDs and 16 INTs. He had two games over 300 yds, and four games over 200. He had one game with a QB rating over 100.

A 8 game stretch in 2010 Cassel was 5-3 against some bad teams. He threw 19 TDs and 1 INT. He had one game with over 400 yds, and three games over 200. He had five games with over a 100 QB rating.

Did he win that game where he threw for over 400 yards?*

If you are going to spew shit....please spew all of it.


*Garbage time.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Did he win that game where he threw for over 400 yards?*

If you are going to spew shit....please spew all of it.


*Garbage time.

No he didn't. Cassel gave up those 49 point all by himself.

In 2008 he had a 8 game stretch where he went 6-2. Threw 14 TDs and 4 INTs. Had 2 games with over 400 yds passing, 1 with over 300, and 3 over 200 yds. He had 5 games with over a 100 QB rating.

I'm not a cassel fan, but the hate has made people say silly things.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Messier

No he didn't. Cassel gave up those 49 point all by himself.

In 2008 he had a 8 game stretch where he went 6-2. Threw 14 TDs and 4 INTs. Had 2 games with over 400 yds passing, 1 with over 300, and 3 over 200 yds. He had 5 games with over a 100 QB rating.

I'm not a cassel fan, but the hate has made people say silly things.

I guess we just need Moss and Welker on the team so they can rack up 60% of Cassels yards after the catch.

[milkman]

I guess all we need to do is make sure Cassel plays all of his games against weak opponents, or from the spread with the most talented receivers in the league.

We can make him a franchise QB yet!

[Messier]

Originally Posted by milkman

I guess all we need to do is make sure Cassel plays all of his games against weak opponents, or from the spread with the most talented receivers in the league.

We can make him a franchise QB yet!

I was just posting those stats because you said Skelton had a better 8 game stretch than Cassel has ever had. Yeah the Chiefs played crappy teams, the Cards had some cupcakes during Skelton's 8 games as well, but I guess when you beat crappy teams you must not be crappy.

[chiefzilla1501]

I don't know what we're arguing about.

Neither Skelton nor Cassel are very good QBs right now. I don't think it matters which one is shit and which one is deluxe shit.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Messier

I was just posting those stats because you said Skelton had a better 8 game stretch than Cassel has ever had. Yeah the Chiefs played crappy teams, the Cards had some cupcakes during Skelton's 8 games as well, but I guess when you beat crappy teams you must not be crappy.

Skelton also had a good game against the 9ers, not a crappy team, and as I said, I used those games to support my eyeball test.

I didn't watch every game, but I did watch that 9er game as well the Bengal game and the final game against the Seahawks, not to mention a couple of game when he was a rookie the year before.

He looked like an NFL QB in 2011, making huge strides from his rookie season.

Matt Cassel doesn't.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by jd1020

I guess we just need Moss and Welker on the team so they can rack up 60% of Cassels yards after the catch.

I guess any QB is helped by the quality of the players around him, huh?

The whole point of showing these stats was to prove Cassel has had some good stretches. Sure it helped him to play an easy schedule, or to have hall of fame talent around him. Although I'm sure there have been QB's with both those advantages that still didn't produce.

Cassel is what he is, a mediocre QB that if everything is going right can put up good numbers just like any NFL QB, even a back up, should be able to do.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't know what we're arguing about.

Neither Skelton nor Cassel are very good QBs right now. I don't think it matters which one is shit and which one is deluxe shit.

The difference is that Skelton was in his second season and took huge strides, and showed tremendous upside.

Matt Cassel is essentially a 30 year old jouneyman who has passed his prime upside years.

He has no upside.