Tyler Bray > Geno Smith

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Fish

Right now Fisher looks just as much of a developmental player as Geno. He's struggling mightily with the RT position. I'd hate to see him protecting the QB blindside at the more demanding LT position at this point. The Chiefs have never once said anything about Fisher moving to the left. There is no evidence at all that he'll be there starting soon. That's simply what some fans want, in order to justify the draft spot. But the Chiefs have went so far as to deny that they intended to replace Albert with Fisher. So far he's absolutely been a development, from training camp to the preseason games. He's been frequently dominated, even by opposing scrubs that won't be in the NFL in a matter of weeks.

This is horseshit and you know it. You just hated the pick.

Regardless I am not defending Fisher, the fact is Geno looks to be a turd.

Funny how all the Geno ball washers just start railing on Fisher to defend Geno stinking it up.

Fisher may end up busting (though that is highly highly unlikely) that wont change anything if Geno is a turd. Geno will still be turd.

I also disagree Fisher is a project and you will see that soon enough.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

This is horseshit and you know it. You just hated the pick.

Regardless I am not defending Fisher, the fact is Geno looks to be a turd.

Funny how all the Geno ball washers just start railing on Fisher to defend Geno stinking it up.

Fisher may end up busting (though that is highly highly unlikely) that wont change anything if Geno is a turd. Geno will still be turd.

I also disagree Fisher is a project and you will see that soon enough.

It's a simple as this... He was picked 1.1. But he's not playing the position you claim the Chiefs drafted him to play. As the first overall pick. That says development, there's no other way to justify it.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Fish

It's a simple as this... He was picked 1.1. But he's not playing the position you claim the Chiefs drafted him to play. As the first overall pick. That says development, there's no other way to justify it.

The 1.2 and 1.4 were Right Tackles. The 1.7 was a Guard, which is below Right Tackle in positional value. And between Andy Reid, Bruce Arians, and Chip Kelly, these are all Offensive-minded coaches. Fisher isn't playing Right Tackle now because he's incapable of playing Right Tackle. He's playing there because the Chiefs have a viable Left Tackle option for now.

And some are starting to argue that the Right Tackle is every bit as important as the Left Tackle.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The 1.2 and 1.4 were Right Tackles. The 1.7 was a Guard, which is below Right Tackle in positional value. And between Andy Reid, Bruce Arians, and Chip Kelly, these are all Offensive-minded coaches. Fisher isn't playing Right Tackle now because he's incapable of playing Right Tackle. He's playing there because the Chiefs have a viable Left Tackle option for now.

And some are starting to argue that the Right Tackle is every bit as important as the Left Tackle.

So you're saying he's not good enough to beat out the left tackle we already had on the team, that was drafted lower?

That's not convincing.. Either he's good enough to play LT out of the gate, and should have no trouble beating the current LT, or he needs development before being able to take the position. That's how it works...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Fish

So you're saying he's not good enough to beat out the left tackle we already had on the team, that was drafted lower?

That's not convincing.. Either he's good enough to play LT out of the gate, and should have no trouble beating the current LT, or he needs development before being able to take the position. That's how it works...

Fisher was named Right Tackle soon after being drafted. And that story would be different if the Chiefs were able to move Albert.

There was no point in moving Albert to Right Tackle. Let's not make this a story of Fisher being unable to beat out Albert in a fair LT competition. It was clear the Chiefs were going Fisher at RT, Albert at LT right after the draft. The Chiefs also haven't committed to Albert beyond this year, so there's obviously still a likelihood that Fisher could play Left Tackle in 2014.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Let's not make this a story of Fisher being unable to beat out Albert in a fair LT competition. It was clear the Chiefs were going Fisher at RT, Albert at LT right after the draft.

The only reason you don't want to make this a story of Fisher being unable to beat our Albert, is because it defeats the argument. If Fisher was clearly a better tackle right now, he'd be there. But he's not. He may develop into that player. But clearly right now he is not. I certainly hope that he develops into a HOF lineman. That would be great and I'd have no complaints about his draft spot.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Fish

The only reason you don't want to make this a story of Fisher being unable to beat our Albert, is because it defeats the argument. If Fisher was clearly a better tackle right now, he'd be there. But he's not. He may develop into that player. But clearly right now he is not. I certainly hope that he develops into a HOF lineman. That would be great and I'd have no complaints about his draft spot.

You know that the plan was to trade Albert but once they couldn't it made sense to leave the existing LT at LT.

You are being argumentative just for the sake of it.

Is Joekel a project? He is playing RT this season and appears to be needing some adjustment time as well.

http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog...jaguars-opener

People on CP want to flip out over a bad game and a few TC practices by Fisher while Geno stinks up Manhattan and couldn't beat out butt fumble barring the injury.


All rookies are projects to some point. Fisher is not the project Geno is, not even close.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by Fish

The only reason you don't want to make this a story of Fisher being unable to beat our Albert, is because it defeats the argument. If Fisher was clearly a better tackle right now, he'd be there. But he's not. He may develop into that player. But clearly right now he is not. I certainly hope that he develops into a HOF lineman. That would be great and I'd have no complaints about his draft spot.

I don't know about that; Reid seems to value both tackles equally, and with the way the defensive game in the NFL has evolved, I think he may be ahead of the curve in understanding the importance of having solid bookend tackles. It is worth noting that all four tackles in the Super Bowl were former first round picks. I hope they sign Albert to a long term deal in the offseason; we'd be set at T for a long time to come.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Fish

So you're saying he's not good enough to beat out the left tackle we already had on the team, that was drafted lower?

That's not convincing.. Either he's good enough to play LT out of the gate, and should have no trouble beating the current LT, or he needs development before being able to take the position. That's how it works...

It happens a lot lately.

Joe Staley was the 22nd pick in the draft, Anthony Davis was the 11th, and Anthony Davis is now considered one of the best right tackles, and Joe Staley one of the left.

Michael Oher was drafted as the Left Tackle heir apparent to Ogden, he is now their right tackle.

Shrugs. It happens. As long as Fisher doesn't end up at guard, and he is a solid RT for his career, no one should complain. 10-12 years of not having to worry about a tackle is a nice problem to have.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Fish

It's a simple as this... He was picked 1.1. But he's not playing the position you claim the Chiefs drafted him to play. As the first overall pick. That says development, there's no other way to justify it.

Where is Luke Joeckel playing this year Fish?

Where is Lane Johnson playing this year?

Oh snap 3 of the top 4 players drafted are playing RT this season.