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Old 01-07-2025, 11:07 AM  
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Old 01-07-2025, 01:30 PM   #16
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I'm actually surprised he isn't fired yet. They have been very loyal, but he's simply not good now.
Pittsburg has always been about stability at the HC spot. They go the to the opposite extreme of the coaching carousel.
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Old 01-07-2025, 01:40 PM   #17
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He's Jeff Fisher with better press.

If I were a Steelers fan, I'd absolutely be ready to move on from Mike Tomlin. The issue isn't even that he's a bad coach -- it's that he's an average coach and a bad CEO.

If you're a guy who doesn't have a coaching tree to speak of. Who doesn't call plays or design concepts. If you're a guy who's sole role appears to be as a motivator then you HAVE to have good coordinators.

He doesn't. Ever. Because the guys he wants in those roles simply aren't creative enough. Has a Tomlin coordinator ever gone on to have a HC role? Does his 'coaching tree' have even a single branch?

I don't believe it does.

And honestly, I don't think it ever will because he's just not a guy who's going to go find a young coaching phenom and give him the keys.

Tomlin is more part of the problem than a solution at this point.
Wasn’t Bruce Arians a coordinator there at some point? Your overall point is good, regardless.
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Old 01-07-2025, 02:10 PM   #18
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Wasn’t Bruce Arians a coordinator there at some point? Your overall point is good, regardless.
Their defensive coordinator for most of the time was Dick LeBeau who wasn't going to get another coaching job. Kind of the same issue Spags has. But it goes back to needing a GM who can find some offensive talent and a coordinator who can use it. That's not been their strength.
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Old 01-07-2025, 02:12 PM   #19
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Their defensive coordinator for most of the time was Dick LeBeau who wasn't going to get another coaching job. Kind of the same issue Spags has. But it goes back to needing a GM who can find some offensive talent and a coordinator who can use it. That's not been their strength.
And LeBeau pre-dated Tomlin anyway.

Tomlin is more part of the LeBeau tree than vice versa. His first NFL coaching job was coaching DBs w/ LeBeau as the coordinator in Cincy.

I mean Brian Flores came on as a LBs coach for a season AFTER he'd gotten fired by Miami and before he went onto Minnesota. I don't think that counts.

Bruce Arians was the OC for him when the Cardinals hired away Wisenhunt after Cowher retired. I guess that would count (but even Arians came in under Cowher).

That's as close as I can find. And it's worth noting that it's literally the only season where Tomlin has demonstrated any post-season success.

He NEEDS premier coordinators and doesn't seem to be worth a damn at identifying them.
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What could Pitt get in a trade for Tomlin? Seriously.

A guy who is so damn stable that he never has losing seasons has to be worth a first-rounder to some piss poor franchise.

If you are Pitt, and you can trade him for a 1 + probably have your pick of the pool in terms of available coaches because you're such a respected franchise... that could mean getting your QBOTF.

It's like Andy and Philly. It's just time to move on.
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What could Pitt get in a trade for Tomlin? Seriously.

A guy who is so damn stable that he never has losing seasons has to be worth a first-rounder to some piss poor franchise.

If you are Pitt, and you can trade him for a 1 + probably have your pick of the pool in terms of available coaches because you're such a respected franchise... that could mean getting your QBOTF.

It's like Andy and Philly. It's just time to move on.
The problem is that those 'piss poor franchises' are picking in the top 10.

If you're the Jets, you can't give up a 1 for him.

But maybe a 2026 first rounder? 2025 2nd? Can they do the 2025 pick, though, having given up capital for Adams? And a 2026 first could be a disaster since they have no idea what their QB situation for next season is.

Bad franchises are often not in a good position to make trades like this because of the very decisions that MAKE them bad franchises.
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The problem is that those 'piss poor franchises' are picking in the top 10.

If you're the Jets, you can't give up a 1 for him.

But maybe a 2026 first rounder? 2025 2nd? Can they do the 2025 pick, though, having given up capital for Adams? And a 2026 first could be a disaster since they have no idea what their QB situation for next season is.

Bad franchises are often not in a good position to make trades like this because of the very decisions that MAKE them bad franchises.
Maybe its an early 2, probably would be fair based on what Payton went for. Other caveat is Mike Tomlin doesn't need the money. He is probably going to pick his spot.
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I knew Marty was bad, but holy shit when you look at that list. Reid and Mahomes have done so much to reverse the horrific negative mojo that just hung over this city every year before they arrived.
that's whats so funny about the "oh the Chiefs have the refs in their pocket" and the related conspiracies.

like people really think the NFL is in love with the Chiefs? the KC Chiefs? I remember 10 years ago getting made fun of when I said if the Chiefs had the right QB we could win a SB
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Tomlin states, “you can’t play zone or he’ll pick you apart”… to which they didn’t much. Nor did Houston.

Two game sample size of good defenses going man heavy, but because of Hollywood, because of Worthy’s development… it simply didn’t work.

And yet Tomlin is still right. If you go zone heavy, Mahomes has become surgical in those matchups. He’d prefer it even.

And so really, as was the case always with Brady and Manning, the BEST way to beat these QBs is if you are able to go man coverage with a four-man pass rush.

And yet now, with these weapons fully engaged.. I don’t know that a defense can pull it off. I really don’t.

What’s it mean? What we already know to be true. The only thing that can stop this threepeat is going to be the Chiefs themselves.

EDIT: Same thing played out in '19 where teams thought they could get fat any happy with press man cause it worked when Tyreek and Watkins were out a few games. Then they came back. Rest is history...
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The only thing that can stop this threepeat is going to be the Chiefs themselves.
Depends entirely if we start Joe Thuney.

We're one and done with Jort Tooney at LT.
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I still maintain that if you think Tomlin isn’t a good coach, you have to feel the same about Harbaugh.
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I'm actually surprised he isn't fired yet. They have been very loyal, but he's simply not good now.
They're too busy beating themselves off for only having 6 coaches or whatever it was.
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