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[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He's Jeff Fisher with better press.

If I were a Steelers fan, I'd absolutely be ready to move on from Mike Tomlin. The issue isn't even that he's a bad coach -- it's that he's an average coach and a bad CEO.

If you're a guy who doesn't have a coaching tree to speak of. Who doesn't call plays or design concepts. If you're a guy who's sole role appears to be as a motivator then you HAVE to have good coordinators.

He doesn't. Ever. Because the guys he wants in those roles simply aren't creative enough. Has a Tomlin coordinator ever gone on to have a HC role? Does his 'coaching tree' have even a single branch?

I don't believe it does.

And honestly, I don't think it ever will because he's just not a guy who's going to go find a young coaching phenom and give him the keys.

Tomlin is more part of the problem than a solution at this point.

Wasn’t Bruce Arians a coordinator there at some point? Your overall point is good, regardless.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

Wasn’t Bruce Arians a coordinator there at some point? Your overall point is good, regardless.

Their defensive coordinator for most of the time was Dick LeBeau who wasn't going to get another coaching job. Kind of the same issue Spags has. But it goes back to needing a GM who can find some offensive talent and a coordinator who can use it. That's not been their strength.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by tk13

Their defensive coordinator for most of the time was Dick LeBeau who wasn't going to get another coaching job. Kind of the same issue Spags has. But it goes back to needing a GM who can find some offensive talent and a coordinator who can use it. That's not been their strength.

And LeBeau pre-dated Tomlin anyway.

Tomlin is more part of the LeBeau tree than vice versa. His first NFL coaching job was coaching DBs w/ LeBeau as the coordinator in Cincy.

I mean Brian Flores came on as a LBs coach for a season AFTER he'd gotten fired by Miami and before he went onto Minnesota. I don't think that counts.

Bruce Arians was the OC for him when the Cardinals hired away Wisenhunt after Cowher retired. I guess that would count (but even Arians came in under Cowher).

That's as close as I can find. And it's worth noting that it's literally the only season where Tomlin has demonstrated any post-season success.

He NEEDS premier coordinators and doesn't seem to be worth a damn at identifying them.