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Will KC ever be better?
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From the way people seem to think around here, franchice QBs grow on trees. KC has an interesting record with drafting "Franchise" QBs. I took a look at KC's drafted QBs since their inception in Dallas on profootballrefference.com. They have drafted a total of 29 QBs, 9 of which were drafted in rounds 1-3. Let's take a look... Eddie Wilson, 3rd round '62 - 1 start (resulted in a tie) 0-0-1 Pete Beathard, 1st round '64 (2nd overall pick) - 1-1 Mike Livingston, 2nd round '68 - 31-43-1 Steve Fuller, 1st round '74 (23rd overall pick) - 13-18 Todd Blackledge, 1st round '83 (7th overall pick) - 13-11 Brodie Croyle, 3rd round '06 - 0-8 Add in... David Jaynes (3rd '74), Mike Elkins (2nd '89), and Matt Blundin (2nd '92) who never got a start. Yeah, KC has a stellar record of drafting QBs. Our "Franchise" QB prospects have a combined record of 58-81-2. Oddly enough, the ONLY QB we drafted and started with a winning record is the one QB I've heard called the biggest failure in KC draft history - Todd Blackledge. Like I said, our track record of signing FAs and trading for QB has been more successull to this point than drafting a QB. Even Kreig, Bono, and GrBac have been better for us than those we tried to draft, that should say a lot about KC's ability to draft/develop a QB. And the three best QBs to ever chunk the ball for KC IMO came via trades, Dawson, Montana, and Green. Would I like to see KC draft the next Manning or Brady - ABSOLUTELY! But rational thinking tells me that if we ONLY look for potential QBs in the draft, we're really limiting our chances at finding a succesful QB.
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10-20-2008, 10:06 PM
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I'm for rebuilding, but...
When a team comes out and plays competitive with the Patriots then chokes against Oakland... When, at 1-5 and seeing little to no improvement with the young players... When young players who have been here 2-3 years, had better years as rookies than they seem to be having now... When a number of solid veterans decide to either hang up the cleats or desire to relocate to a different team... When a HC, in a press conference seems to have no idea what the problem is... When your team tries to run an option - not once but multiple times with a 5'8" WR/QB in this league... When you're HC doesn't communicate with his star players... When you can't even compete with the bad teams in the league... When all of these things are happening, it's sorta kinda easy to lose faith in the ability of the KC Braintrust to actually develop players to pull off the rebuild.
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10-20-2008, 10:14 PM
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HEY!!! I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW.... That as an MU fan, I can spot a non-functional "Rebuild". Afterall, I've been hearing "Rebuild" and waiting since the 70s for it. I thought we were finally close, but after the last 2 weeks, I think its just the best tease so far. BTW, I noticed the "Edmond" - I was right by there today. Had to go to OKC for some meetings - I was just east of all the TV/Radio towers south of you.
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10-20-2008, 10:07 PM
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It's kind of like being in favor of taking some needed time away from work, Mr. Chiefnj2.
It's a good idea, but shooting yourself in the face with a 12 guage isn't the best possible way to go about it. FAX |
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10-20-2008, 10:08 PM
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To rebuild, one does not have to be torn down to the bottom of the NFL. If the team is 32nd, then there is nowhere to go but up, but who cares if they only go up to 30th or 29th?
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10-20-2008, 10:22 PM
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Can't disagree with any of these points.
The team came out and played against NE, then has regresssed every week, save Shanarat giving them a game. What we are doing is the opposite of progress. |
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10-20-2008, 10:24 PM
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If Stafford isn't there....
You draft Oher, slide Albert to LG, Move Waters to RG. You then need a center and a right tackle. Herb Taylor can possibly be an adequate RT. False starts with n00bs just happen. You then need to fill one position on the line. Now, that's not addressing the potential that Barry Richardson has. If he shows an ability to be a road grader RT or a RG, then you can have Waters play center and the entire line is secure, save Waters, for quite a while. The team still needs two DE's, a FS, MLB, as well as a QB. We just need to flush Herm and Carl and this won't look nearly as bad.
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10-20-2008, 10:38 PM
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Oher - LT Waters - LG Taylor - C Rudy - RG Albert - RT Honestly, I don't think Waters have more than 3 years left to play at a very high level.
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10-20-2008, 10:39 PM
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Now you've pissed me off!
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