2023 Cap Discussion

[Dante84]

If we were to absolutely max out all restructures, we would have almost $119M in cap space according to Over The Cap.

Effective Cap Space: $8,449,166

Simple Restructure: $67,070,657
Possible Cap Space: $75,519,823

Maximum Restructure: $110,459,052
Possible Cap Space: $118,908,218

According to @Jason_OTC, the #Chiefs could have $118,908,218 in cap space in 2023, with maximum restructures.

That would be the fourth-most cap space if every team maximized their restructures. #InVeachWeTrust pic.twitter.com/0ezsiCNhFc

— Jacob Milham (@JMilTheHam) November 3, 2022

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Bolton isn't signing for $10 mil and could easily sign for a top 3-5 ILB contract which will be around $17 mil/yr.

If Gay keeps playing as well as he has been, then you extend him this off season. He'd be coming off his only season of great production and if you offer him an $8-$10 mil/yr contract, then you can probably get him to sign.

I keep both of those guys, because we've went so long with shit at LB.

I think you can pay 'em both IF you keep churning and burning at CB.

If the only real money is in Reid and Sneed, you can do it.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

You still wanting to add a pass rusher to pair with Jones, though? (after Clark is cut)

Because if you are, that’s gonna cost some money.

Can’t pay Reid, Sneed, Gay and Jones AND add a top tier pass rusher.

Gonna have to sacrifice one of those guys . . . . .

[O.city]

Gonna have to go get a pass rusher somewhere.

And probably pay brown jr

[Mecca]

If you think Bolton is getting 17 per you're high.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Mecca

If you think Bolton is getting 17 per you're high.

There are 3 ILB making $17 mil or more a year. There are 2 more off-season a before he becomes a FA and more than likely a couple of guys get $15+ mil/yr contracts. Nick Bolton is already a top 5 ILB and his status is just going to grow.

He had 112 tackles last year.

This year he is on pace for 160 yds, 14 TFL, and 5 sacks.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

you just committed the Chiefs to at least $200 million and you still need to pay guys like Creed, Bolton, Sneed, Trey etc

We can’t just keep putting off the bill on every player. Mahomes will still be here way past these contracts. We have to live within our means.

Bolton and Creed won’t have big cap hits until at least 2025. They’ve got 2 more cheap years on rookie contracts and then slowly escalate. No problem giving them and Sneed long term deals.

I’d give Juju and Jones smaller extensions. Juju the Sammy Watkins/Tyrann Mayheiu style 3 year deal (allows him to cash in on FA again before 30) and I’d add 2 years on Chris Jones deal giving him 3 more years here.

We have plenty of money to do that

[Mecca]

The guys making that are Warner and Leonard guys who do everything including cause a bunch of turnovers.

I mean **** Milano is 10 mill.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

JuJu is gonna want to cash in on the ridiculous WR market while he can. It’s probably the biggest reason why he and his agent took a one year ‘prove it’ deal with the Chiefs. Maximize your skill set in an elite offense in order to cash in BIGTIME.

I have no doubt he would like to stay with the Chiefs, but he’s gonna want to be paid BIGTIME.

The Chiefs should let him walk and find another one year contract candidate to pair with MVS, Moore and Toney (Hardman is likely gone too). If they’re not paying Reek top of the market contract, they’re not gonna give JuJu $20+ mil. per year.

Nor should they. I like him, but it’s a waste of financial resources. Mahomes doesn’t need elite WR’s (not sure if JuJu is even that) to succeed. This has already been made apparent with Reek leaving.

We’re 7 games into the season. Let’s maybe cool it on the talk that Mahomes doesn’t need elite receivers until we see a full season and playoffs. He may need elite receivers less than some QBs, but it would sure as he’ll be nice to eventually find one.

[RunKC]

Don’t understand not paying Juju even if it’s $24 million average.

His first year in 2023 will be cheap, then in 2024 you cut MVS to get $12 million and still have Toney, Skyy and whatever rookie you want to draft.

We saw what not having a presence like Sammy Watkins did to us for years. Don’t let Juju walk

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by OKchiefs

We’re 7 games into the season. Let’s maybe cool it on the talk that Mahomes doesn’t need elite receivers until we see a full season and playoffs. He may need elite receivers less than some QBs, but it would sure as he’ll be nice to eventually find one.

You haven't applied this logic to ANYTHING you've been bitching about.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by OKchiefs

We’re 7 games into the season. Let’s maybe cool it on the talk that Mahomes doesn’t need elite receivers until we see a full season and playoffs. He may need elite receivers less than some QBs, but it would sure as he’ll be nice to eventually find one.

Quick, anyone . . . . . .

Raise your hand on here if you claimed JuJu was an ‘elite’ WR before he arrived here . . . . . . . anyone . . . . . . ? Oh, you in the back there, sir. Yeah, gonna need to see some receipts on that.

If you NOW think JuJu is an elite WR, he is one because Mahomes made him look like one. JuJu is gonna get paid BIGTIME this off season thanks to Mahomes. The same guy that got Albert Wilson paid (for one game), the guy that got 4th option Byron freaking Pringle a decent WR contract, the guy that helped Reek land the largest WR contract in NFL history.

Mahomes is Mahomes. If you have a Mahomes, you take advantage of that fact. One of the ways you do that is by signing one year deals year to year for guys with talent who are looking to get PAID. Rinse, repeat.

What you DON’T do is hand out ridiculous $20-$25 million per year contracts to 2nd tier WR’s who are made to look like 1st tier WR’s by that same QB.

That’s just ****ing stupid.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The guys making that are Warner and Leonard guys who do everything including cause a bunch of turnovers.

I mean **** Milano is 10 mill.

Warner has only had 1 really elite year and he hasn't made the TFL like Bolton has. Leonard is a beast, but then you have Foyesade Oluokun making $15 mil/yr, Zach Cunningham makes $14.5 mil/yr, and Deion Jones makes $14.25 mil/yr.

If you don't think Bolton isn't getting $17 mil/yr, then what do you think he will get?

[oldman]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I'd extend Sneed.

I let OBJ walk, and take the 3rd comp. I snatch Yosh Nijman, RFA, away from Green Bay as they're already paying Bahktiari and won't want to pay TWO LT's. A middle of the pack LT contract should be enough to do that.

I'll extend Gay.

I probably cut MVS (saves $9m) not because I don't like him, but because you could use that money to re-sign JuJu. I feel like you can find a speedster to replace MVS easier in the mid rounds of the draft.

Cut Clark, and put that $20 to extending Jones.

I agree with most of this. I'd like to see both Juju and MVS's performance numbers at the end of the year before we make any moves there. Brown isn't performing much more than an average LT, so he can take his ego and go **** himself. Ride the Greyhound with Titty Meat.

I don't see doing a max restructure as the way be a perennial power, that's something a desperate team does. What happens when the wheels fall off your stud WR, your top CB suddenly retires, etc., etc.? You may need a restructure at some point 3-4 years down the road and if you've shot your wad in '23, you're screwed.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Don’t understand not paying Juju even if it’s $24 million average.

His first year in 2023 will be cheap, then in 2024 you cut MVS to get $12 million and still have Toney, Skyy and whatever rookie you want to draft.

We saw what not having a presence like Sammy Watkins did to us for years. Don’t let Juju walk

No way in hell should we go $24 mil/yr for Juju. I'd do up to like $18 or so, but Tyreek is basically on a $24 mil/yr contract in Miami. It's essentially a 4 yr $95 mil contract because that last year he has a $50 mil cap hit and only $5 mil in dead cap.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

Quick, anyone . . . . . .

Raise your hand on here if you claimed JuJu was an ‘elite’ WR before he arrived here . . . . . . . anyone . . . . . . ? Oh, you in the back there, sir. Yeah, gonna need to see some receipts on that.

If you NOW think JuJu is an elite WR, he is one because Mahomes made him look like one. JuJu is gonna get paid BIGTIME this off season thanks to Mahomes. The same guy that got Albert Wilson paid (for one game), the guy that got 4th option Byron freaking Pringle a decent WR contract, the guy that helped Reek land the largest WR contract in NFL history.

Mahomes is Mahomes. If you have a Mahomes, you take advantage of that fact. One of the ways you do that is by signing one year deals year to year for guys with talent who are looking to get PAID. Rinse, repeat.

What you DON’T do is hand out ridiculous $20-$25 million per year contracts to 2nd tier WR’s who are made to look like 1st tier WR’s by that same QB.

That’s just ****ing stupid.

Well I pointed out a few times he had a 1400 yard season before he had injuries and then had the carcass of big Ben throwing to him. However by preseason I was on the WR by committee camp.

Hill is a future HoF if maybe not for off field image. And Sammy was actually pretty good when healthy. I've been mildly disappointed that Mahomes hasn't really made any other WR look that impressive in past years. Were they that bad?

KC doesn't have to keep JuJu, but it would be nice to have some proven continuity given that it isn't an easy offense to learn.