Offsides reality

[tredadda]

Looking at the offsides on Toney and the “Let them play” mentality a few things stick out.

1. He was offsides and like it or not, that is inexcusable on his part. Toney should never line up offsides…….ever. That’s a Pee Wee league type of mistake. He didn’t just start playing football this year. Pre snap penalties are the worst because they are completely preventable. He should have never left it up to a ref to decide one way or another, especially with the quality of reffing league wide lately.

2. I get the “Let them play” mindset and not letting a questionable call impact a game. But it can’t be “Let them play” when convenient and when not calls should be made. Look at the SB when KC benefited from a penalty that essentially sealed the game. Had the refs swallowed the whistle like what was wanted today KC might well have lost the SB. We benefited from that penalty. But today we want to yell at the clouds because it was called. Both times the penalty was called, just this time it went against KC.

3. Even after the penalty they still had time to pick up the yards and score a TD and is systemic of how the offense has played for large portions of the year. This team has a championship caliber defense, but the offense is not what we all expect. That might mean an early exit this year. Simply put if the offense hasn’t figured it out by now I question whether they will.

It is what it is.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by scho63

Double check the new overhead picks released today - he was a good 2 feet offsides. Not even close.

Yep. Everyone keeps saying 6 inches. Not even close. If he was 6 inches I bet it doesn’t get called.

[Kman34]

Originally Posted by wachashi

Everyone admits it's standard practice to give a warning to a player/coach before calling offensive offenses (one of the reasons it's so rare).

The refs claim Toney was "egregiously" offsides, and that's why no warning was given.

The fact is Toney gained zero advantage with this alignment, which is the entire point of a penalty in the first place.

The first offensive offsides penalty in Reid's long career happens to come with under two minutes to play in the fourth quarter of what amounts to a playoff game. And it happens in the same season in which the Chiefs have been repeatedly held to a different standard than the rest of the league when it comes to alignment/offsides penalties.

A lot of our fans "hate to blame the refs" but let's be real here. Refs can absolutely determine outcomes against two evenly-matched teams.

I'm with Andy Reid on this one. I think that guy has seen a thing or two, and he RARELY says a word about the refs.

Here’s the warning… ITS IN THE ****ING RULE BOOK.. and you can’t be that far offsides and it won’t get called.. I look for Andy and Patrick to walk back their comments in their pressers…

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by louie aguiar

We’re stuck with Taylor for at least another year. That contract is looking pretty bad right now. It’s crazy to me that he’s still making the same mistakes this far into the season. Hindsight is 20/20 but we probably would have been better off re-upping with Wylie and using the $ saved in a receiver.

The thing is with Taylor is that he’s not doing anything he hasn’t always done. It’s just he’s being called for it a a very high rate this year and it’s not like other linemen aren’t also doing it. It bothers me because he is being specifically targeted for it.

[scho63]

Photo

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

The overhead camera angle of the Kadarius Toney offsides play, via @jjones9. Doesn’t get clearer than this… https://t.co/tP4TAI8ojd pic.twitter.com/hZeXcxzDb5

— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) December 11, 2023

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Toney’s head is literally lined up with Von Millers head lol. Toney is not a smart football player

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

Toney’s head is literally lined up with Von Millers head lol. Toney is not a smart football player

The Chiefs would be 10-3 right now if Toney was not on their roster this season.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Looking at the offsides on Toney and the “Let them play” mentality a few things stick out.

1. He was offsides and like it or not, that is inexcusable on his part. Toney should never line up offsides…….ever. That’s a Pee Wee league type of mistake. He didn’t just start playing football this year. Pre snap penalties are the worst because they are completely preventable. He should have never left it up to a ref to decide one way or another, especially with the quality of reffing league wide lately.

2. I get the “Let them play” mindset and not letting a questionable call impact a game. But it can’t be “Let them play” when convenient and when not calls should be made. Look at the SB when KC benefited from a penalty that essentially sealed the game. Had the refs swallowed the whistle like what was wanted today KC might well have lost the SB. We benefited from that penalty. But today we want to yell at the clouds because it was called. Both times the penalty was called, just this time it went against KC.

3. Even after the penalty they still had time to pick up the yards and score a TD and is systemic of how the offense has played for large portions of the year. This team has a championship caliber defense, but the offense is not what we all expect. That might mean an early exit this year. Simply put if the offense hasn’t figured it out by now I question whether they will.

It is what it is.

good comments... I agree
Guys like Toney are not good for this team.
in spite of his talent, he appears to be the bad luck charm.
The entire team needs to have a let's get all the issues on table meeting and start taking care of business.
They are 1 more loss away from throwing it all away

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Both Toney and Taylor need to be gone now, if we bench them maybe the NFL might quit picking on us.

maaybe...but who knows after Mahomes and Reid hissy fit

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Toney is a liability, yes he’s a good football player when he has the ball in his hands but the negatives outweigh the positive. You have to sit him next game. Continue to feed Jerry Rice Jr and Kelce and run Pacheco.

[chiefzilla1501]

I mean… the refs would give Toney a lot of leeway if he was back a little. But there’s simply no explanation for lining that far up.

[Mephistopheles Janx]

Toney was 100% offsides. It isn't even a question.

While I understand the gripes about the refs... KC did everything they could to loose that game starting with getting Mahomes a bunch of 3 legged stray dogs (not DAWGZ.... ***DOGS***) as receivers.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

Toney’s head is literally lined up with Von Millers head lol. Toney is not a smart football player

Part of me thinks Pat was even more furious because he thought it was Miller who had defensive offsides. The fact that Toney was so far forward may have confused him more

[Arch Stanton]

Still waiting for Greg Olsen to stand up for the Chiefs and explain how you can't all a penalty like that at that point in the game.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by room152

so if you are right the refs wanted Buffalo to win so badly why did they overturn Kelce's fumble? A game changing play. The ball was clearly moving and coming out before he was down. One could say the refs were for cheating for KC. And the week before two huge calls went for KC the plays before the PI call. So your the NFL want the Chiefs to lose narrative is very flawed to say the least.

What? His knee was obviously down... The sideline hit on Pat is called 90% of the time against any notable QB, and it can be argued it was helmet to helmet. The chick missed the forward progress call, but we would have spiked it and lost maybe 5 seconds... The bigger issue is the inconsistencies through out the game. Watch the All-22 from last week and this week and tell me the holding calls the Chiefs are getting are more blatant than the holding that wasn't call throughout most of the game on the Packers and Bills? The blatant Packers hands to the face on a huge 3rd and 4th down conversions that ended in scoring drives. Or look at Taylor's "false start" yesterday compared to 2 other times the Bills tackles were way earlier... It's not just questions at the end of the game that's upsetting, they need to just be consistent...

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

It’s pretty clear he was lined up across the LOS. Anyone have a video or pic of the next play where the defender was across the LOS? I missed the play and haven’t seen a pic.

The defender was not offside. Someone posted a picture of just after the snap that made it look like he was. It’s on Reddit and posted in other threads here.