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Old 09-24-2013, 05:58 PM   #1
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Really dude. He's played 3 games.

He didn't come into the draft being touted as Orlando Pace. He was a high ceiling project, an ascending player who it is hoped would develop into a top player a la Joe Staley, who came out of the same school.

Fisher was not even really a reach because he was the top player in the draft at a premium position. It wasn't like teams had him graded as a second round pick and we grabbed him a full round too early. He was a no-doubt top 10 pick.

I don't understand people holding him to this standard that makes no sense, that he should make the pro bowl this year or whatever, just because of where he was drafted. He can't help that. He's the same man whether he was drafted at #1 or #10 or anywhere else.
We're not blaming Fisher. We're blaming Dorsey.

He and Reid's mantra in pre-draft interviews this offseason was, "the most important thing about the #1 pick is that you get it right."

Like Dane said, if Fisher needs all this time to become the great player he's supposed to be, then it wasn't worth it. Not at #1 overall. Pick another player with just as high of a ceiling and a propensity for immediately playing well. THERE'S your best player in the draft.
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Old 09-24-2013, 08:32 PM   #2
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Like Dane said, if Fisher needs all this time to become the great player he's supposed to be, then it wasn't worth it. Not at #1 overall.
Would we be singing this song if it'd been a QB at 1.1?

No... we'd be saying he needs a year or two before we even know what we have.
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Old 09-24-2013, 08:34 PM   #3
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Would we be singing this song if it'd been a QB at 1.1?

No... we'd be saying he needs a year or two before we even know what we have.
Remember when the QB position was the same as the RT position?

Oh yeah, that's right.

What the **** kind of argument is that.
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Remember when the QB position was the same as the RT position?

Oh yeah, that's right.

What the **** kind of argument is that.
Why is it that picks we would have liked get 2 or more seasons of deference to 'develop', but picks we didn't like are busts if they don't perform immediately?
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Why is it that picks we would have liked get 2 or more seasons of deference to 'develop', but picks we didn't like are busts if they don't perform immediately?
Does this really need explained?

Seriously?
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Why is it that picks we would have liked get 2 or more seasons of deference to 'develop', but picks we didn't like are busts if they don't perform immediately?
No one is calling fisher a bust, he's played 3 games ffs. It will be at least 2 years before the guy is declared one thing or another.
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No one is calling fisher a bust, he's played 3 games ffs. It will be at least 2 years before the guy is declared one thing or another.
I doubt it. The CP hate culture is pretty focused on him.

No quarter will be given to this 22 year old from the MAC for not dominating the NFL immediately.
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I doubt it. The CP hate culture is pretty focused on him.

No quarter will be given to this 22 year old from the MAC for not dominating the NFL immediately.
He was the first overall pick of the draft. He hasn't lived up to that as of yet. It's ok to say that.
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I doubt it. The CP hate culture is pretty focused on him.

No quarter will be given to this 22 year old from the MAC for not dominating the NFL immediately.
CP tends to hate players that play like shit, so yeah.

If he starts playing like he belongs in the league then it will stop.

RT isn't a glamour position. If he does his job well, he probably won't even be noticed by most fans. If he does poorly, he's going to get lambasted. Them's the breaks when you're a tackle in this league.

It's not his fault that our GM decided a RT from a D1AA school was worth the number one overall. He's going to be forever linked to that pick, though. There's just no getting around it.
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Why is it that picks we would have liked get 2 or more seasons of deference to 'develop', but picks we didn't like are busts if they don't perform immediately?
Who called Eric Fisher a bust?

Can you read? He's just played piss poor in the first three games and you can't take away any sort of inspiration that he'll develop into a quality tackle from these performances. It's not over for the guy. He can still be good. The track record so far suggests he was a mistake.

Since you're talking about Geno Smith here; I'll just say he's shown some rookie mistakes. He's made some really dumb decisions that have cost his team the game. He's also shown spots of brilliance that make you remember why he was even in the discussion at 1.1 in the first place. Fisher has not.

He gets more time to develop because he plays the most important position in the NFL. Fisher doesn't. He's supposed to play a position where he can step in from day one and be a strong contributor. He isn't asked to do the sort of things a QB is. It's that simple.
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Who called Eric Fisher a bust?

Can you read? He's just played piss poor in the first three games and you can't take away any sort of inspiration that he'll develop into a quality tackle from these performances. It's not over for the guy. He can still be good. The track record so far suggests he was a mistake.

Since you're talking about Geno Smith here; I'll just say he's shown some rookie mistakes. He's made some really dumb decisions that have cost his team the game. He's also shown spots of brilliance that make you remember why he was even in the discussion at 1.1 in the first place. Fisher has not.

He gets more time to develop because he plays the most important position in the NFL. Fisher doesn't. He's supposed to play a position where he can step in from day one and be a strong contributor. He isn't asked to do the sort of things a QB is. It's that simple.
I don't think nfl teams think the same way as your last paragraph states per say
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I don't think nfl teams think the same way as your last paragraph states per say
It's why guys like Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder get an exceptionally long leash. QB's just get more time to develop and mature. ESPECIALLY highly drafted QB's.
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Why is it that picks we would have liked get 2 or more seasons of deference to 'develop', but picks we didn't like are busts if they don't perform immediately?
Because we keep wasting 1sts on combine/workout warriors and not productive players.

I'm glad Poe seems to have turned the corner but reaches like him and Baldwin are why we were where we were...
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Because we keep wasting 1sts on combine/workout warriors and not productive players.

I'm glad Poe seems to have turned the corner but reaches like him and Baldwin are why we were where we were...
but Fisher wasn't a reach. He more than likely would have been top 5 even if we'd been elsewhere in the draft.

Baldwin was picked at the bottom of the first round, so I don't know how terrible that is. It's not comparable to whiffing on a Tyson Jackson type of pick.

The two biggest success factors in the NFL today are Head Coach and Quarterback. If you don't have those, nothing else really matters.

I think the reason why we've mostly been a bottom feeder for the last decade is because we haven't had either one of those until this offseason. It wasn't because we missed on a DE 5 years ago.

Belichick and Newsome whiff on picks too.
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Would we be singing this song if it'd been a QB at 1.1?

No... we'd be saying he needs a year or two before we even know what we have.
How hard is this for you to understand? Seriously.

QBs are different than RTs. They're worth infinitely more.

When you're drafting at 1.1, if you can get an eventual stellar QB who requires 1-2 years of patience and on-field growth, you take that. Because it's a ****ing QB.

When you're drafting at 1.1 and you're faced with the option of drafting a RT who requires the same amount of patience and rookie frustration in order to become just as good at his position, you're much better off looking for a different player at a different position.

Please tell me what you don't understand. It's very important that you get this.
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