Other Sports Reaction to Marcus smart shoving a fan - Page 28

chiefzilla1501 · 02-09-2014, 01:50 PM

Http://m.espn.go.com/ncb/story?storyId=10426105

Just curious... If the fan called Smart a racial slur, was he justified for shoving the fan.

I think its an interesting debate about where the line should be drawn for fans to get away with jawing at players. Let's first see if there's any truth to this. My personal opinion is that sports should have leeway for fan behavior, but there's a line that fans too often cross.

**LoneWolf** · 02-10-2014, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

On the contrary, I think anybody who denies that there was solely on the basis of a statement made by the booster with a history of taunting players (and a vague "investigation" with no specifics from a completely biased party) probably has an agenda. I'm just saying I don't know. And without sufficient evidence, that's the only rational perspective to take.

Where are these interviews? Can we read/hear them? Are there any direct statements from anybody at all that the public can see?

What a load of shit that is. There's nothing conclusive about that video at all and most people here have commented on how difficult it is to actually hear what was said. You'd have to be being pretty disingenuous to deny it.

Any PR professional would tell you that there is no benefit to Smart/Ford saying something like that during a public apology designed solely to protect/rebuild his public image. There's nothing to be gained from his perspective by getting in a fight through the media with a fan and prolonging the cycle of this.

JFC. The school said they interviewed all media that was on that baseline and fans in the area. Don't you think if a member of the media that was on the baseline heard the school announce there were interviews and there weren't that they would say something? You can clearly hear "piece of crap" on the video. Listen to it with headphones on. It's clear as day.

Smart doesn't have to get into a fight through the media. All he would have had to say was "I thought I heard a racial slur and I reacted poorly". He didn't/couldn't say that because it isn't true. He's hoping this will go away before people start asking him the tough questions like "do you feel bad for painting a man as a racist to try to cover up your bad behavior."

KC_Connection · 02-10-2014, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

at least I was man enough to say it,

You mean racist enough to say it.

Again, please stop.

Brock · 02-10-2014, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

JFC. The school said they interviewed all media that was on that baseline and fans in the area. Don't you think if a member of the media that was on the baseline heard the school announce there were interviews and there weren't that they would say something? You can clearly hear "piece of crap" on the video. Listen to it with headphones on. It's clear as day.

Smart doesn't have to get into a fight through the media. All he would have had to say was "I thought I heard a racial slur and I reacted poorly". He didn't/couldn't say that because it isn't true. He's hoping this will go away before people start asking him the tough questions like "do you feel bad for painting a man as a racist to try to cover up your bad behavior."

Suspended 3 games. Clearly even his own school isn't buying it either.

**Rausch** · 02-10-2014, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

reporting this post for racial content....

Reerun_KC · 02-10-2014, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

You mean racist enough to say it.

Again, please stop.

I heard racist slurs....

NWTF · 02-10-2014, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Unless you've decided to blindly believe in those who have no credibility, I don't think anything is apparent here.

No, just actual evidence. That'd be nice.

Yep, Smart came up with this diabolical plan only seconds after reacting to the asshole's comment. Sounds reasonable.

I heard the tape and believe the eye witness accounts as described on the radio today, and what you call a diabolical plan is simply called a lie to cover your butt to most people.

At this point anyone still believing Smarts version has an agenda. Racism exists all over, it just not here, no matter how much you want it to be.

Actually there is racism here by Smart in playing the race card. That is the only racism involved in the incident

**LoneWolf** · 02-10-2014, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Suspended 3 games. Clearly even his own school isn't buying it either.

Yep. For the record, I think Orr is a ****ing dumb mother****er. He's just not a racist dumb mother****er at least in this instance.

KC_Connection · 02-10-2014, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

JFC. The school said they interviewed all media that was on that baseline and fans in the area. Don't you think if a member of the media that was on the baseline heard the school announce there were interviews and there weren't that they would say something?

Who are these media and fans? Specifics, please.

And no, if they can't be certain what they heard (which wouldn't be surprising by the inconclusive video where you can't exactly hear much of anything), I wouldn't expect anybody to take that kind of a stand.

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You can clearly hear "piece of crap" on the video. Listen to it with headphones on. It's clear as day.

I have. Multiple times. There's nothing that's clear about that video and anybody being remotely reasonable is capable of admitting that.

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Smart doesn't have to get into a fight through the media. All he would have had to say was "I thought I heard a racial slur and I reacted poorly". He didn't/couldn't say that because it isn't true.

And you're basing that on exactly nothing. What we do know is that there is no benefit on his end by extending this further and turning this into a race issue through the media.

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He's hoping this will go away before people start asking him the tough questions like "do you feel bad for painting a man as a racist to try to cover up your bad behavior."

It's good to know that we've got somebody living in Marcus Smart's head here.

KC_Connection · 02-10-2014, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NWTF

I heard the tape and believe the eye witness accounts as described on the radio today, and what you call a diabolical plan is simply called a lie to cover your butt to most people.

So your assertion is that he came up with this devious lie immediately within seconds of pushing the fan? Got it. And I'm the one pushing agendas here.

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At this point anyone still believing Smarts version has an agenda. Racism exists all over, it just not here, no matter how much you want it to be.

I don't necessarily believe any version right now because there's no evidence either way. It's a completely he said/he said situation. And at this point, that is really the only position that a rational person without an agenda can take.

KC_Connection · 02-10-2014, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Suspended 3 games. Clearly even his own school isn't buying it either.

You can't resort to violence over insults, no matter how awful they are. Obviously they were going to suspend him and rightfully so. Have no idea what that's supposed to prove.

KC native · 02-10-2014, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Texas Tech completed an investigation where they interviewed fans in the vicinity, members of the media behind the basket, and reviewed audio & video footage. There was no evidence whatsoever that Mr. Orr called Smart anything but a piece of crap. But, I'm sure you'll claim conspiracy. Demand to have congress investigate before you believe anything.

And I know you will say, oh well I don't believe them. Look, if ANY of these witnesses disagreed with the Texas Tech investigation, don't you think they would let it be known? To ESPN? To other outlets of the media? I can tell you if I was in their shoes, I'd want my story told on ESPN and EVERYONE that would listen if I could confirm that he called him the N-Word. I'd be on the phone right now negotiating with ESPN what payment I would accept to go on TV and tell my account of the incident. I'd be a quasi celebrity for a few weeks. If anything, ANYTHING, someone would be tempted to lie about it and say he did call him that despite the other fans collaboration AND video AND audio footage.

@ the fact you believe ****ing anything that comes from the sand aggies as objective. Biggest piece of shit school and fans ever.

KC native · 02-10-2014, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

JFC. The school said they interviewed all media that was on that baseline and fans in the area. Don't you think if a member of the media that was on the baseline heard the school announce there were interviews and there weren't that they would say something? You can clearly hear "piece of crap" on the video. Listen to it with headphones on. It's clear as day.

Smart doesn't have to get into a fight through the media. All he would have had to say was "I thought I heard a racial slur and I reacted poorly". He didn't/couldn't say that because it isn't true. He's hoping this will go away before people start asking him the tough questions like "do you feel bad for painting a man as a racist to try to cover up your bad behavior."

texas tech is not a real school.

Brock · 02-10-2014, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

You can't resort to violence over insults, no matter how awful they are. Obviously they were going to suspend him and rightfully so. Have no idea what that's supposed to prove.

3 games? Yeah, sure. He's being punished for being a bad liar as much as anything. What is your big stake in defending this tard?

**LoneWolf** · 02-10-2014, 08:33 PM

If Tech had come out and said "we interviewed all media members in the area and fans around the incident and they all said Orr called Smart the N-word", KC Connection would be all over this. It would be nothing but "see, Orr is a racist and should be banned from all future Tech games."

Because it is the other way, he needs a list of names of the people interviewed, what they said, an IMAX quality video, and a recant of his statement by Smart. I'm convinced he is related to Smart or gunning to be his agent.

KC_Connection · 02-10-2014, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

3 games? Yeah, sure. He's being punished for being a bad liar as much as anything.

No, he's being punished for pushing a fan. And there was no precedent for that in college basketball, as far as I know. Why is the 3 games a surprise there? Why does it mean anything with regard to this?

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What is your big stake in defending this tard?

What is your stake in defending a guy who has a history of taunting and insulting college athletes?

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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1755503	Reaction to Marcus smart shoving a fan Http://m.espn.go.com/ncb/story?storyId=10426105 Just curious... If the fan called Smart a racial slur, was he justified for shoving the fan. I think its an interesting debate about where the line should be drawn for fans to get away with jawing at players. Let's first see if there's any truth to this. My personal opinion is that sports should have leeway for fan behavior, but there's a line that fans too often cross.
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LoneWolf Constable of Untruths Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Wichita Casino cash: $-948916	If Tech had come out and said "we interviewed all media members in the area and fans around the incident and they all said Orr called Smart the N-word", KC Connection would be all over this. It would be nothing but "see, Orr is a racist and should be banned from all future Tech games." Because it is the other way, he needs a list of names of the people interviewed, what they said, an IMAX quality video, and a recant of his statement by Smart. I'm convinced he is related to Smart or gunning to be his agent.
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