Chiefs Fisher to LT? - Page 30

In58men · 03-25-2014, 06:00 AM

@AdamSchefter: Chiefs HC Andy Reid said he plans to go to camp this summer with former No. 1 overall pick Eric Fisher playing left tackle.

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**Rausch** · 03-26-2014, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

And when we pass on all those guys and take Zach Martin (who technically isn't even a guard)?

I'll call it now:

1) Reach on a TE
3) HB (huge WTF moment...)
4) Slot WR
5) G...some guy projected to go bottom 3rd/top 4th falls and our FO acts like they won the lottery.
6) 0 ****s given. I'll be pissed off and fall down drunk by then...

htismaqe · 03-26-2014, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I'll call it now:

1) Reach on a TE
3) HB (huge WTF moment...)
4) Slot WR
5) G...some guy projected to go bottom 3rd/top 4th falls and our FO acts like they won the lottery.
6) 0 ****s given. I'll be pissed off and fall down drunk by then...

So when you say "reach on a TE" you're saying like Ebron, Amaro, and ASJ are all there and they take the kid out of Cincinatti?

Being a Chiefs' fan rules.

chiefzilla1501 · 03-26-2014, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

It's way to soon to say he was/is a bust, that's ridiculous.

No one here is saying they hope the guy fails, that's also ridiculous. Saying he collectively wasn't very good last year and voicing concerns over whether he will ever be this or that, isn't the same as wanting the guy to suck.

And lastly, just because said qb or player buster elsewhere, doesn't necessarily mean he shouldn't have been the pick here. Situations and circumstances are different everywhere

On the one side, I've seen people pick apart geno for an int in a game where he led a comeback.

On the other side, can't tell you how many times Fisher would make a small mistake in the first quarter and people went apeshit. Completely ignoring an otherwise solid performance.

Both sides are guilty of it. I disagree that there aren't people who want him to fail, just to further state their case against him as a 1.1 and I'm guessing we are going to hear more talk about him being a lousy backup unless he is anything short of a pro bowler.

htismaqe · 03-26-2014, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I disagree that there aren't people who want him to fail, just to further state their case against him as a 1.1

That's literally the worst argument in the history of Chiefsplanet. Outside of a couple of obvious trolls, NOBODY wants the Chiefs, or any player on the Chiefs, to fail just so they can be right.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

and I'm guessing we are going to hear more talk about him being a lousy backup unless he is anything short of a pro bowler.

He was the 1st overall pick. Expecting him to be a pro bowler isn't unrealistic at all. Hell, expecting him to be one of the best 5 or 6 left tackles in football is completely justified.

**Rausch** · 03-26-2014, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

So when you say "reach on a TE" you're saying like Ebron, Amaro, and ASJ are all there and they take the kid out of Cincinatti?

I'm saying there will be better talent there and instead we'll take a lesser player...

temper11 · 03-26-2014, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He was the 1st overall pick. Expecting him to be a pro bowler isn't unrealistic at all. Hell, expecting him to be one of the best 5 or 6 left tackles in football is completely justified.

No it isn't. If the draft was chock full of a ton of talent at QB and other "skill positions" and a team still picks a Tackle 1.1, then you can reasonably expect that guy to be some kind of aberration at the tackle position and come out on day one being among the best in the league. The only reason he went 1.1 is because the draft class was so poor. He went #1 overall pick, not because he is better than all the other tackles out there that have been drafted lower than him in years past, he went #1 because his draft class was week at the skill positions.

**The Franchise** · 03-26-2014, 11:04 AM

Excuses.

O.city · 03-26-2014, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by temper11

No it isn't. If the draft was chock full of a ton of talent at QB and other "skill positions" and a team still picks a Tackle 1.1, then you can reasonably expect that guy to be some kind of aberration at the tackle position and come out on day one being among the best in the league. The only reason he went 1.1 is because the draft class was so poor. He went #1 overall pick, not because he is better than all the other tackles out there that have been drafted lower than him in years past, he went #1 because his draft class was week at the skill positions.

That's a shitty way to draft players.

If the draft class was so poor, and whoever you take at 1.1 is going tonged all this leeway and such, why would you not take te player with the highest potential upside and highest ability to change games.

Maybe some think different, but unless e becomes a top 5 player at his position, that's not a LT.

O.city · 03-26-2014, 11:10 AM

If your front office tells you"he was the best player available" and takes him first overall, he damn sure better perform at the very least adequately from day 1.

People would be a lot more comfortable moving the guy to lt if that were the case. When it turns out that the guy was physically overwhelmed at this level an was eventually benched, this is what you get

temper11 · 03-26-2014, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

That's a shitty way to draft players.

If the draft class was so poor, and whoever you take at 1.1 is going tonged all this leeway and such, why would you not take te player with the highest potential upside and highest ability to change games.

Maybe some think different, but unless e becomes a top 5 player at his position, that's not a LT.

All I'm saying is that if Fischer came out in this years draft instead of last, what round would he fall to? 2nd? 3rd? I don't have any idea... I just know that had he come out this year, he wouldn't have near the expectation on his shoulders that he has now. So the expectation really has nothing to do with him and everything to do with the year that he was drafted.

htismaqe · 03-26-2014, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by temper11

No it isn't. If the draft was chock full of a ton of talent at QB and other "skill positions" and a team still picks a Tackle 1.1, then you can reasonably expect that guy to be some kind of aberration at the tackle position and come out on day one being among the best in the league. The only reason he went 1.1 is because the draft class was so poor. He went #1 overall pick, not because he is better than all the other tackles out there that have been drafted lower than him in years past, he went #1 because his draft class was week at the skill positions.

So Dorsey just sucks at talent evaluation then. Got it.

RunKC · 03-26-2014, 11:16 AM

I expect to see a significantly improved player this year. It was very clear that Fisher had most of the technique down, but was simply not strong.
Playing RT definitely hurt him too. The guy played on the left side in college, so putting him at RT was basically like changing everything on the fly.

Tough spot for all of the LT's. That's why none of them were that good last year.

temper11 · 03-26-2014, 11:17 AM

And for the record, I don't really care about Fischer. I'm not setting myself up to be his defender. Feel free to bash him all you want as the biggest #1 draft bust in history if that's what you want. I'm fine with that. I just think had Manziell been in last years draft class then probably no one on here even knows who Fischer is.

htismaqe · 03-26-2014, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by temper11

All I'm saying is that if Fischer came out in this years draft instead of last, what round would he fall to? 2nd? 3rd? I don't have any idea... I just know that had he come out this year, he wouldn't have near the expectation on his shoulders that he has now. So the expectation really has nothing to do with him and everything to do with the year that he was drafted.

So all this "hope for next year" bullshit is just that...

Dorsey doesn't have a ****ing clue.

I hope you realize you've caught yourself in a catch 22 here.

**Rausch** · 03-26-2014, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by temper11

I just think had Manziell been in last years draft class then probably no one on here even knows who Fischer is.

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temper11 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013 Casino cash: $10014156	And for the record, I don't really care about Fischer. I'm not setting myself up to be his defender. Feel free to bash him all you want as the biggest #1 draft bust in history if that's what you want. I'm fine with that. I just think had Manziell been in last years draft class then probably no one on here even knows who Fischer is.
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