Chiefs Gas on the Fire: Shutdown Corner Gives Chiefs "F" in FA. - Page 23

Chiefshrink · 04-06-2014, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Rep! Exactly the case... If you choose to "build through the draft," dont take the "win now" approach and trade TWO early draft picks the year before... The contradictory approaches of last season to this one makes it easy to believe that it was all about filling the seats last season.

Which really tells you what they Andy/Dorsey thought of not only last years QB class but this one as well. If Andy was really excited about this year's QB class he and Dorsey would not have given up 2 2nd round picks for Smith. Andy has always liked Smith from the get go and obviously felt he could fix him and make him that legit 1st rd pick he was meant to play like. So far Andy has been right because Alex continues to improve to the point he should have won that Colts game and looks like he could improve even more IF we get some playmakers around him. But there were many suitors in line for Smith last year(don't kid yourself) and Andy was going to make damn sure nobody was going to get him and why we paid a King's ransom hence the QB is the most important position on the field.

Albert,Jackson,DMC,Asamoah were all overrated for the $$ they wanted IMO. Schwartz was the only one I hated to see go but then 'WE' aren't GMs who don't know what is really going on behind the scenes and why he was really allowed to go and not resigned. Maybe they thought the same of him as well.

We'll see if Andy was right in the long run and so far he has been dead on.

In58men · 04-06-2014, 11:06 AM

We are a sad team.

Discuss Thrower · 04-06-2014, 11:07 AM

Even Rams fans are talking trash about how KC will do next season.

Rams fans.

In58men · 04-06-2014, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Even Rams fans are talking trash about how KC will do next season.

Rams fans.

We have no leadership on this team. NONE.

chiefzilla1501 · 04-06-2014, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Seriously man, you're playing semantics. Conservative could easily be construed as cheap. You're trying to straddle the fence and it's obvious.

No, I am not straddling the fence. People are saying Clark won't open up his pocket book. They are directly saying we are sitting still because we won't spend money, and then people then throw in their magical invisible money that other teams are spending than we are not.

That is a different story than saying our philosophy of drafting first won't work. I'll repeat, if we are up against the cap in back to back to back years, it means we are spending a lot of money. Have we spent that money wisely? No. But that is different from saying we are cheap.

Hammock Parties · 04-06-2014, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

What was our cash spending this year? I don't remember ever seeing that.

about tree fiddy

O.city · 04-06-2014, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Even Rams fans are talking trash about how KC will do next season.

Rams fans.

They're rams fans. They don't know better

O.city · 04-06-2014, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Douche Baggins

about tree fiddy

Is that even something that's released to the public? I couldn't find it online anywhere

Discuss Thrower · 04-06-2014, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

They're rams fans. They don't know better

I think St. Louis snaps their losing streak against the Chiefs this year.

O.city · 04-06-2014, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

I think St. Louis snaps their losing streak against the Chiefs this year.

They've got a nice defense and good skill position guys. I don't think Bradford ever gets it done though.

Hammock Parties · 04-06-2014, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Is that even something that's released to the public? I couldn't find it online anywhere

I'm sure we gave HUGE guaranteed money to um...who did we sign again? Some guy?

Chiefshrink · 04-06-2014, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58

We have no leadership on this team. NONE.

I disagree. I think you will see even better leadership this year. You don't want BIG $$ invested in underachieving overrated players who screw with your cap for years to come especially in players who are entering their middle to latter years(injury prone-see Albert) and why many big name FAs never give you the value of what they signed for in championship play. Very rarely.

chiefzilla1501 · 04-06-2014, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Douche Baggins

I'm sure we gave HUGE guaranteed money to um...who did we sign again? Some guy?

And how many of those dollars don't count against the salary cap? Zero. So why are we using anything but our yearly cap hit to measure if we are cheap or not.

mcaj22 · 04-06-2014, 11:37 AM

I don't buy that Sutton isn't partially to blame and here's why:

1. Andy Reid's only real weakness that costs him games/seasons since Jim Johnson has been his DCs. Bob Sutton fits the same mold as Juan Castillo and Sean McDermott currently

2. Bob Suttons refusal to use more of the 34 base defense and sit in nickel and dime packages 50+ % of the time. There is only two arguments why he does this, 1) He sucks as a DC and doesn't know what he's doing 2) WE STILL DONT HAVE THE RIGHT PERSONNEL/ROSTER TO HAVE A COMPETITIVE 34 Base defense. This is the problem I have, because if it's the latter, then stop signing part time thumpers like Joe Mays and part time 2 down run stuffers like Mike Devito and get ****ing athletic players in the front 7. LBers that can cover the pass and DL that can stop both the run and the pass. SF sits in the 34 base because the DL/MLBers can play two ways, same with Pittsburgh, same with the Saints, same with the Jets, etc. We are the only team that blows our wad and switches out of our base so quickly to compensate for the lack of mismatches that teams can expose Sutton as a one trick pony.

3. Bob Sutton's refusal to rotate the DLine. The Powe defenders favorite excuse. Does it ring true? Maybe Dontari Poe would have had something left in the tank near the end of the season in the games that counted if Bob Sutton knew how to keep d-lineman fresh. Is the Bob Sutton sucking again or yet again, the lack of depth on this roster, they have nobody else competent enough to take even 10-20% snaps away from Poe. The fact that Tyson Jackson was a 3 down player on this defense last year leads me to believe there is still a complete lack of depth. But I thought Mike Catapano was suppose to save this team? Well he can't save the team in 2014 if Bob Sutton refuses to rotate him in. Time will tell. But if it's the middle of the 2014 season and there are threads wondering why Mike Catapano hasn't had a higher snap count, how is it not Bob Suttons incompetency?

4. Bob Sutton and the backend. There is an argument to made here that Brandon Flowers, Eric Berry and Kendrick Lewis a core that's been together since 2010, were never as bad as they were in 2014. How did Kendrick Lewis fall off a cliff that fast? He was never good but he wasn't that bad. At one point when you realize you do not have a safety on the roster that's able to play single high cover 1 safety, how do you not switch back to a 2 deep safety system like Romeo had? The fact that Bob Sutton kept trying to fit a square peg in a round hole cost us games. The incompetency to play Eric Berry at anything other than a floating LBer, and the fact that all you had to do was sign a ****ing nickel slot CB for insurance coverage that was not named Dunta Robinson would have also solved many problems.

5. Bob Suttons decision making with a 28 point offensive cushion SHOULD BE CAUSED FOR A CONCERN. When your DC becomes a scared pussy and sits in a prevent defense when he knows he doesn't have a safety on the roster that could cover a turtle, with a whole half left to play, should make you concerned in 2014. You have two pro bowl OLBers and a pro bowl NT and you take your foot off the gas? When we play good teams, no lead will be safe.

There are red flags in 2014 where Chiefs fans could be calling for this guys head on a stick by the end of the season, as he could be the sole reason we lose games, not one ****ing FS position.

Hammock Parties · 04-06-2014, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And how many of those dollars don't count against the salary cap? Zero. So why are we using anything but our yearly cap hit to measure if we are cheap or not.

You sure love those Chiefs, huh?

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mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	I don't buy that Sutton isn't partially to blame and here's why: 1. Andy Reid's only real weakness that costs him games/seasons since Jim Johnson has been his DCs. Bob Sutton fits the same mold as Juan Castillo and Sean McDermott currently 2. Bob Suttons refusal to use more of the 34 base defense and sit in nickel and dime packages 50+ % of the time. There is only two arguments why he does this, 1) He sucks as a DC and doesn't know what he's doing 2) WE STILL DONT HAVE THE RIGHT PERSONNEL/ROSTER TO HAVE A COMPETITIVE 34 Base defense. This is the problem I have, because if it's the latter, then stop signing part time thumpers like Joe Mays and part time 2 down run stuffers like Mike Devito and get **ing athletic players in the front 7. LBers that can cover the pass and DL that can stop both the run and the pass. SF sits in the 34 base because the DL/MLBers can play two ways, same with Pittsburgh, same with the Saints, same with the Jets, etc. We are the only team that blows our wad and switches out of our base so quickly to compensate for the lack of mismatches that teams can expose Sutton as a one trick pony. 3. Bob Sutton's refusal to rotate the DLine. The Powe defenders favorite excuse. Does it ring true? Maybe Dontari Poe would have had something left in the tank near the end of the season in the games that counted if Bob Sutton knew how to keep d-lineman fresh. Is the Bob Sutton sucking again or yet again, the lack of depth on this roster, they have nobody else competent enough to take even 10-20% snaps away from Poe. The fact that Tyson Jackson was a 3 down player on this defense last year leads me to believe there is still a complete lack of depth. But I thought Mike Catapano was suppose to save this team? Well he can't save the team in 2014 if Bob Sutton refuses to rotate him in. Time will tell. But if it's the middle of the 2014 season and there are threads wondering why Mike Catapano hasn't had a higher snap count, how is it not Bob Suttons incompetency? 4. Bob Sutton and the backend. There is an argument to made here that Brandon Flowers, Eric Berry and Kendrick Lewis a core that's been together since 2010, were never as bad as they were in 2014. How did Kendrick Lewis fall off a cliff that fast? He was never good but he wasn't that bad. At one point when you realize you do not have a safety on the roster that's able to play single high cover 1 safety, how do you not switch back to a 2 deep safety system like Romeo had? The fact that Bob Sutton kept trying to fit a square peg in a round hole cost us games. The incompetency to play Eric Berry at anything other than a floating LBer, and the fact that all you had to do was sign a ing nickel slot CB for insurance coverage that was not named Dunta Robinson would have also solved many problems. 5. Bob Suttons decision making with a 28 point offensive cushion SHOULD BE CAUSED FOR A CONCERN. When your DC becomes a scared pussy and sits in a prevent defense when he knows he doesn't have a safety on the roster that could cover a turtle, with a whole half left to play, should make you concerned in 2014. You have two pro bowl OLBers and a pro bowl NT and you take your foot off the gas? When we play good teams, no lead will be safe. There are red flags in 2014 where Chiefs fans could be calling for this guys head on a stick by the end of the season, as he could be the sole reason we lose games, not one **ing FS position.
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