Rishaw Johnson penciled in as RG starter

[The Franchise]

www.rotoworld.com

The Chiefs have penciled in Rishaw Johnson as their starting right guard.

Signed off Kansas City's practice squad last September, Johnson showed promise in a Week 17 spot start against San Diego. The Seahawks were also high on Johnson at one point during his 2012 undrafted rookie season. The Chiefs have a ton of holes to fill on the offensive line after losing key guards Geoff Schwartz and Jon Asamoah, as well at left tackle Branden Albert in free agency.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Four teams in four years says that he's just a guy.

If the Chiefs thought he was super All-Pro like everyone around here thinks, then I'm pretty sure that 16 over 4 wouldn't have been too much of a stretch to retain his services.

Just a guy. We signed his identical twin in Linkenbach. I don't know why people keep freaking out about the team letting Schwartz go.

I don't know, either, but I also don't know why you are obsessed with drafting an OG in the first round when one will be there in the third or fourth.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

You lose all credibility when you compare two WR on paper. Measurables mean nothing.

I'm hoping that you are going to provide information about why I was misinformed then...since you are obviously the "informed" one about the whole comparison.

Unless you are just a hypocritical piece of shit.

So, inform me...

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I'm hoping that you are going to provide information about why I was misinformed then...since you are obviously the "informed" one about the whole comparison.

Unless you are just a hypocritical piece of shit.

So, inform me...

Then answer my question.....Why is Lee regarded as a 1st rounder and Street isn't?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by temper11

Do we know that adding Rishaw means that we won't take an OL in the 3rd or 4th rounds? .

Jesus I hope not.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Then answer my question.....Why is Lee regarded as a 1st rounder and Street isn't?

His production his sophomore year, when he had a legit high level QB throwing the ball (Barkley) and Robert Woods taking pressure off him.


2011: Games: 12 Rec/Yards: 73/1143 Aver: 15.7 TDs: 11
2012: Games: 13 Rec/Yards: 118/1721 Aver: 14.6 TDs: 14
2013: Games: 11 Rec/Yards: 57/791 Aver: 13.9 TDs: 4

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I'm hoping that you are going to provide information about why I was misinformed then...since you are obviously the "informed" one about the whole comparison.

Unless you are just a hypocritical piece of shit.

So, inform me...

Player A
HEIGHT
6'4"
ARM LENGTH
33 5/8"
WEIGHT
228LBS.
HANDS
10 1/8"

40: 4.50
vert: 42"
129" broad jump
20 reps on the bench press

Long strider that can stretch the field and shows the ability to consistently track the ball in the air. Possesses excellent hands and high points the ball very well. Strong runner after the catch that breaks arm tackles and flashes a vicious stiff arm. Fearless over the middle.

Player B
HEIGHT
6'4"
ARM LENGTH
34 3/8"
WEIGHT
211LBS.
HANDS
9 1/4"

40: 4.50
vert: 34"
126" broad jump
18 reps on the bench press

Possesses prototypical height, a wide catch-radius, and very good speed. A true vertical, big play threat. Explodes off the line. Eats up cushions immediately. Doesn't idle down in-and-out of his breaks. Displays the ability to uncover against zone. Can haul in the poorly thrown pass and wins most jump balls. Productive over the middle. Very competitive.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

His production his sophomore year, when he had a legit high level QB throwing the ball (Barkley) and Robert Woods taking pressure off him.


2011: Games: 12 Rec/Yards: 73/1143 Aver: 15.7 TDs: 11
2012: Games: 13 Rec/Yards: 118/1721 Aver: 14.6 TDs: 14
2013: Games: 11 Rec/Yards: 57/791 Aver: 13.9 TDs: 4

AJ Green never topped 1000 yards in a season or had more than 10 TDs.....he must suck.

[Saccopoo]

Really what it comes down to is how much is the drop off between a guy like:

- Marquis Lee versus Devin Street or Mike Davis or Jared Abbrederis
- Odell Beckham/Brandin Cooks versus Josh Huff or Robert Herron

versus

Xavier S'ua Filo versus Trai Turner or Dakota Dozier

Which drop off are you willing to accept more?

[saphojunkie]

The point is that saying "this guy is just as tall/fast/hands/productive as this other guy... they must be the same!" has just been disproven time and time again.

Jerry Rice wasn't great because of his measurables, and the fact that we have to say that again is crazy. It's not new information or innovative thinking.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Really what it comes down to is how much is the drop off between a guy like:

- Marquis Lee versus Devin Street or Mike Davis or Jared Abbrederis
- Odell Beckham/Brandin Cooks versus Josh Huff or Robert Herron

versus

Xavier S'ua Filo versus Trai Turner or Dakota Dozier

Which drop off are you willing to accept more?

Your obsession with a guard in the first round is just unbelievable. As if a new right guard is what this team is REALLY missing.

I just don't understand. Really, I don't understand why guard is the big problem in your opinion.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Player A
Sloppy route runner that struggles to separate from quicker defensive backs. Takes too many false steps in transition and does not always find soft spots in zone coverage. Does not have enough wiggle to make defenders miss in the open field. Not exactly a willing run blocker and will occasionally take plays off.

Player B
Possesses prototypical height, a wide catch-radius, and very good speed. A true vertical, big play threat. Explodes off the line. Eats up cushions immediately. Doesn't idle down in-and-out of his breaks. Displays the ability to uncover against zone. Can haul in the poorly thrown pass and wins most jump balls. Productive over the middle. Very competitive.

Baldwin vs. Green

And?

Baldwin was a lazy player in college who couldn't separate off the line even at that level despite his prodigious measurables.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

Your obsession with a guard in the first round is just unbelievable. As if a new right guard is what this team is REALLY missing.

I just don't understand. Really, I don't understand why guard is the big problem in your opinion.

I take it you are happy with Linkenbach or Johnson as your starting RG and Allen as your LG.

And you feel that upgrading either Hemingway or Jenkins is the best route to take with that first round pick.

That's cool.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Baldwin vs. Green

And?

Baldwin was a lazy player in college who couldn't separate off the line even at that level despite his prodigious measurables.

I just can't get through to you.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I take it you are happy with Linkenbach or Johnson as your starting RG and Allen as your LG.

And you feel that upgrading either Hemingway or Jenkins is the best route to take with that first round pick.

That's cool.

And you are happy with handing the keys over to a rookie.

That's cool.

I just wildly disagree with you.

It's not upgrading Hemingway or Jenkins. It's upgrading Bowe or Avery.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

AJ Green never topped 1000 yards in a season or had more than 10 TDs.....he must suck.

AJ Green was a prodigy level player for the position. That he never topped 1000 yards in a season in college is irrelevant.

Same with Calvin Johnson, who only topped 1000 yards once in a three year college career.

With Lee, once Barkley and Woods are gone and he's the focus of the offense, you actually lose 1000 yards from his sophomore to his junior year. That's an absolutely incredible number/drop in production.