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Old 05-05-2014, 10:25 AM  
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Old 06-04-2014, 04:32 PM   #1636
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AFCE Teams? All have their QB's.

AFCN? All set.

AFCS? Houston just let their Alex Smith walk, everyone else? Set.

AFCW?

Manuel, G. Smith, Schaub, Locker/Mettenberger and Dalton? C'mon. Quit trying to pull everyone's leg.
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Old 06-04-2014, 04:33 PM   #1637
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Just accept the fact that we will overpay for Smith and move on.

It's the Chiefs.

It's what we do.
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Old 06-04-2014, 04:35 PM   #1638
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Oh well.

Your best chance to win multiple SBs is with a first round QB. Always has, always will be.
Nah, your best chance to win will always be by building a great team before trying to plug in a QB. If you don't put together a good team first, you'll stunt the growth of virtually any QB that you draft, regardless of what round they were taken in.

You have a better chance at building a good team and then finding a solid QB to fit into your system than you would at finding the next Peyton Manning and having him turn your entire franchise around.
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Old 06-04-2014, 04:35 PM   #1639
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How many years are we talking about for Smith? 3 at 18 per? Fine, whatever.
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Old 06-04-2014, 04:35 PM   #1640
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You're nope's are a little premature at this point.

The Bengals are set? Dunno. Titans are set? Doubtful.

Jets are already apparently doubtful with Geno as they brought in Vick who's been very vocal about starting etc.

I don't necessarily think the guy is worth 18 million, but I'm also not going to say in a certain system with the right things around him he isn't.
The Bengals are going to pay Alex Smith $18M plus and put Dalton on the bench?

The Jets already have a circus on their hands, let's pay $18M a season and give up on the guy we just drafted and the guy we literally just signed as a FA?

You're reaching, bug time.
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The Bengals are going to pay Alex Smith $18M plus and put Dalton on the bench?

The Jets already have a circus on their hands, let's pay $18M a season and give up on the guy we just drafted and the guy we literally just signed as a FA?

You're reaching, bug time.
The Bengals would let Dalton walk.

And it's the Jets. Vick is on a 1 year deal IIRC.
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Manuel, G. Smith, Schaub, Locker/Mettenberger and Dalton? C'mon. Quit trying to pull everyone's leg.
Buffalo is going to spend $18M a year on Smith and give up on the promising player they just drafted high a year ago?
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Nah, your best chance to win will always be by building a great team before trying to plug in a QB. If you don't put together a good team first, you'll stunt the growth of virtually any QB that you draft, regardless of what round they were taken in.

You have a better chance at building a good team and then finding a solid QB to fit into your system than you would at finding the next Peyton Manning and having him turn your entire franchise around.
Not necessarily.

You can draft your QB and build around him as well.

Neither way is proven 100 percent. There's many ways to build a winner in the NFL.
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Old 06-04-2014, 04:39 PM   #1644
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This is the thing though, how many superstar QB's are there out there that are developed?

Look around the league at the guys who have been drafted and paid big money by their own teams.

As much as we all want Aaron Rodgers, it's a more likely scenario the "ceiling" guy you get for your draft is going to be a Matt Ryan type player. Now, that's not a bad thing at all, but I think the "1st round QB" mantra around here has become its own animal.
The other side of the coin is that if you're not going to have an absolute superstar, you'd have a better team with a more modestly paid middle-of-the-pack guy than if you pay that middle-of-the-pack guy a HUGE second or third contract.

If your draftee turns into a middle-of-the-pack guy, you ride him (while putting the best team around him that you can) and then cycle to a new guy when he gets to the point he wants huge money. Ideally, you'd continually invest in the position until you get it right with a star, and then keep them forever.
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Bengals would have a better chance at winning a Superbowl right now with Smith than they would with Dalton as their starter, that's for sure. They have everything except for a QB who can handle the play-off heat.
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The Bengals would let Dalton walk.

And it's the Jets. Vick is on a 1 year deal IIRC.
Mike Brown paying a QB $18M a season.

Holy shit, you guys are ****ing hilarious.
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Buffalo is going to spend $18M a year on Smith and give up on the promising player they just drafted high a year ago?
I didnt think that Manuel was that promising last year, but I didn't watch alot of Bills games either.

I remember him being hurt alot though.
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The other side of the coin is that if you're not going to have an absolute superstar, you'd have a better team with a more modestly paid middle-of-the-pack guy than if you pay that middle-of-the-pack guy a HUGE second or third contract.

If your draftee turns into a middle-of-the-pack guy, you ride him (while putting the best team around him that you can) and then cycle to a new guy when he gets to the point he wants huge money. Ideally, you'd continually invest in the position until you get it right with a star, and then keep them forever.
Sure.

But there are too many factors involved there. It's somewhat of an inverse principle that if you continually invest in said position (I'd imagine you'd want it to be high draft picks) you're going to find it tougher build a better team there.
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I didnt think that Manuel was that promising last year, but I didn't watch alot of Bills games either.

I remember him being hurt alot though.
If they didn't think he had a future, they wouldn't have drafted him 16th overall.

Good luck selling that to Bills fans.

Remember that guy we took 16th overall last year - the guy we sold you as the future of the franchise?

Well, **** him. We're paying $18M for a 30 year old that played 6 good games in KC last season.
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Again, as much as we all want that superstar QB on a cheap rookie deal like Luck, or even on a monster deal like Rodgers as they cover up so much, in todays NFL, it's proven that you don't necessarily need that guy to be successful.

Seems to be more "get a guy that's fit for our system, build around him while continually looking for the next guy".

I dunno. I just don't think there's that much of a gap today between the 15th best Qb in the league and the 8th like there once was.

Obviously it's easier to win with a better QB, but it doesn't seem to be the multiplying factor it used to be.
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