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Old 06-13-2014, 01:01 PM  
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Chiefs released CB Brandon Flowers.
Flowers' performance and usefulness in Kansas City slipped dramatically under new DC Bob Sutton last season, as a press-man scheme was installed in the secondary and Flowers failed to find a fit. He wound up mostly at slot corner, and was beaten relentlessly. The Chiefs were trying to trade Flowers, but found no takers for his contract. Flowers had some of the best years of his career under now-Texans DC Romeo Crennel, and cornerback depth is needed in Houston. We wouldn't be surprised to see them reunite. Flowers turned 28 in February.
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Chargers agreed to terms with CB Brandon Flowers on a one-year contract.
The deal is worth "up to" $5 million and contains $3 million in total guarantees. Despite an anemic 2013 season as a misfit in Bob Sutton's press-man scheme, Flowers found a full bushel of suitors after the Chiefs released him 11 days ago. He lands in a spot where he can immediately rehab his value as a starting corner and then hit the open market again at age 29. Flowers put plenty of really good tape together from 2008-12, and will add borderline Pro Bowl shadow ability to a pass defense that ranked 29th in the league last year. With first-round corner Jason Verrett also added to incumbents Shareece Wright and Richard Marshall, this won't be quite the unit to pick on that it was last season.
He's a Charger now.
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Old 06-16-2014, 02:57 PM   #691
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I guess I don't see all of this competent talent walking away you are so worried about. Branden Albert was a calculated move. For better or worse they drafted Fisher to take his spot beause they didn't feel he was worth the money he was asking for. I tend to agree with them.

McCluster will never live up to the contract Tennessee gave him and they drafted his replacement who has more raw talent than McCluster.

Tyson Jackson was replaced by a better player in Walker.

Schwartz is one guy I would have liked to have seen stay, but he was also brought in by Dorsey so that is a wash as far as talent brought in vs. talent walking away.

Flowers doesn't fit the defensive scheme that KC is running. He is a much better zone corner than press man corner. Cooper and Gaines are better suited to play press man than Flowers.
I agree with this. Schwartz might be the loss that hurts the most of them all.

Though Asamoah and Albert certainly hurt the run game, as they are being replaced by less physical guys.
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Old 06-16-2014, 04:50 PM   #692
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Exactly. Bowe had ALL the leverage when we signed him. If we had let him go there would be 50 "SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO OVERPAY FOR GREAT TALENT!" threads on this board.
All true... it was Bowe and a bowl full of chopped liver at the time.
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Old 06-16-2014, 05:45 PM   #693
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I just think it is too early to say. He didn't create this cap situation (and yes, despite what some think...there is such a thing as the salary cap). I think you have to bring in young bodies, it's the NFL... and paying for past performance is death. Let's see what the young guys do, is all I'm saying.
To early to say? Well hell yes it's to early. Dorsey had to clean up Suitable tucked up drafts and now we are in cap hell. None of this is his fault. To fix a shit team like we had is not easy and things get worse before they get better. Ask D.V
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Old 06-16-2014, 06:01 PM   #694
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Everyone acknowledges we overpaid. Look at the top 5 paid receivers. Only 2 of them deserve to be paid top top WR salaries. But that's the nature of the business. The next top 10-15 WR to get signed will get a bigger contract than Bowe and so on and so forth. In 2 years Bowe will barely be hanging on to a top 10 contract.



At the end of the day, the choice was to either overpay Bowe and get him to stay or have Donnie Avery as our #1 receiver. Dorsey just did what he had to do.

This is all true. I'm not even too mad about Bowe because I've always liked him and he contributes, if not with big numbers in blocking for the running game.

Still, it seems we've overpaid on a lot of players so far in this new regime.
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Old 06-16-2014, 07:36 PM   #695
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This is all true. I'm not even too mad about Bowe because I've always liked him and he contributes, if not with big numbers in blocking for the running game.

Still, it seems we've overpaid on a lot of players so far in this new regime.
We did overpay. When Dorsey arrived, the Chiefs were tens of millions under the cap...
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Old 06-16-2014, 07:48 PM   #696
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This is all true. I'm not even too mad about Bowe because I've always liked him and he contributes, if not with big numbers in blocking for the running game.

Still, it seems we've overpaid on a lot of players so far in this new regime.
Besides bowe, who has Dorsey over paid?
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Old 06-16-2014, 08:22 PM   #697
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Besides bowe, who has Dorsey over paid?
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Old 06-16-2014, 08:24 PM   #698
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I am ****ing amazed that fans can watch competent talent walk out the door and still believe Dorsey is a solid GM.

We have two offseasons to judge and more talent has left 1 Arrowhead than has come in.

I was as big a backer of Dorsey as anyone here. I loved the hire. I loved his attitude and personality.

But he's a ****ing horrible GM. Just bad in the way herpes is bad...
I don't know why this Flowers deal is put at his feet. He didn't give him the contract, he didn't cause his play to decline.

I don't agree that more talent has vacated. Who did we really lose? Albert is the only one I think is worth a salt besides Flowers.
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Old 06-16-2014, 08:28 PM   #700
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They should have had the balls to rebuild in year 1. Instead they give up 2 seconds for a veteran QB and basically waste a season trying to make a run. Waste in the big picture. It sold seats and keeps fans spending money for a few years, so in that sense it isn't a waste for the Hunt family.

They should have rebuilt by trading the older guys - Albert, Flowers, Hali, accumulating draft picks (trade down from the 1.1) and building from there.
No one is trading for those contracts. Their high cap numbers prohibted any trade for Hali or Flowers. I agree Albert should have been traded last year when he was tagged though.

I don't agree though about the rebuild. Jamaal, DJ, Hali go through a 3rd rebuild? That's awful to just waste their primes.

I have no problem with what they did last year besides signing Fasano and Chase.
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It's weird how football fans think making trades is so easy. There's a reason there aren't a lot of trades in the league guys. There have been 3 starters (Stevie Johnson, Matt Shaub, and Jeremy Zuttah) traded this whole off season. Yet you guys think we could have traded 3 just by ourselves.
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I don't know why this Flowers deal is put at his feet. He didn't give him the contract, he didn't cause his play to decline.

I don't agree that more talent has vacated. Who did we really lose? Albert is the only one I think is worth a salt besides Flowers.
Really??? You dont agree more talent left than we acquired? The only reason why you dont see it is because you dont want to....
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No one is trading for those contracts. Their high cap numbers prohibted any trade for Hali or Flowers. I agree Albert should have been traded last year when he was tagged though.

I don't agree though about the rebuild. Jamaal, DJ, Hali go through a 3rd rebuild? That's awful to just waste their primes.

I have no problem with what they did last year besides signing Fasano and Chase.
You don't think this is a rebuild? (And a poor rebuild at that since Dorsey wasn't able to wheel and deal and obtain more draft picks the last two years).

It's a big rebuild for the D. The top 3 CBs will have been acquired by Dorsey as well as one safety. 2/3rds of the starting DL. The LB's are the only spot where there hasn't been much turnover, but that seems like it too will change with Ford for Hali. Plus, who knows how much Houston is asking for.

OL/WR/TE/QB - all turned over.

It's a rebuild.
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I don't know why this Flowers deal is put at his feet. He didn't give him the contract, he didn't cause his play to decline.

I don't agree that more talent has vacated. Who did we really lose? Albert is the only one I think is worth a salt besides Flowers.
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