Chiefs Fleming still starting on the outside, Gaines still in the slot. - Page 3

Direckshun · 10-23-2014, 12:29 AM

Wow.

It is amazing how fast the Chiefs went from full-on homer with Marcus Cooper to now pretending the guy doesn't exist.

We need more information on this Fleming kid. Anybody follow him prior to him ending up in KC?

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...le3258069.html

Chiefs to stick with new starters in the secondary on Sunday
By RANDY COVITZ-
10/22/2014 3:04 PM

Chiefs coach Andy Reid said the team likely will stick with cornerbacks Jamell Fleming and rookie Phillip Gaines in the lineup Sunday against St. Louis.

Fleming, who was signed during the second week of the season, started at left cornerback in place of Marcus Cooper, and Gaines opened at nickel back.

“There’s a chance we’ll do that,” Reid said. “There were some good things that Fleming did. He settled down as the game went on. His juices were flowing early. Gaines did a good job on the inside, and when he had chances on the outside, he did a nice job there.

“I came out feeling positive about it. Is there room to improve? We have to continue to get better there.”

Smith’s Rams memory

Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith’s life turned upside down the last time he faced the St. Louis Rams.

While playing for San Francisco, he suffered a concussion on Nov. 11, 2012, in a 24-24 tie against St. Louis, and he never returned to the lineup. Smith’s backup, Colin Kaepernick, started the final seven regular-season games, three postseason games and the Super Bowl, and Smith was traded to the Chiefs in the spring of 2013.

“I haven’t given it that much thought,” Smith said. “Certainly I recognize when we go over the personnel, some of these guys. I remember the game. I remember it well. But I haven’t really thought about the what-ifs.”

Smith, who rushed for a club-record 431 yards by a quarterback last season, uses the feet-first slide more than he did as a younger player, but not because of the hit he absorbed against the Rams.

“You get older, you get smarter,” said Smith, 30. “Whether you like it or not, as a quarterback, you’re a target, and you get outside the pocket, some of the rules that protect you go away. So it’s being smart, understanding situations, and for the most part protecting yourself when you get outside the pocket.”

Injury report

The Chiefs said wide receivers Donnie Avery (sports hernia) and Junior Hemingway (strained hamstring), and cornerback Chris Owens (concussion) did not practice Wednesday. Strong safety Eric Berry, who has missed the last four games because of a high ankle sprain, worked with the scout team and was to be re-evaluated after practice.

Tight end Travis Kelce (ribs) and cornerback Sean Smith (groin) were limited.

The Rams said cornerback Janoris Jenkins (knee), guard Rodger Saffold (knee), defensive end William Hayes (illness), safety T.J. McDondald (concussion) and wide receiver Kenny Britt (ankle) did not practice.

Dorsey, Bienemy nominated

Chiefs general manager John Dorsey and running backs coach Eric Bienemy are among several players with ties to the team who have been nominated for the College Football Hall of Fame’s Class of 2015.

Dorsey, a linebacker at Connecticut during 1981-83, was nominated in the Divisional class. Bienemy, a running back at Colorado, helped lead the Buffaloes to the 1990 national title.

Former Chiefs who were nominated include defensive end Art Still, an all-American at Kentucky and the club’s first pick in the 1978 draft; and running back Paul Palmer of Temple, who led the nation in rushing and was a first-round pick in 1987.

58-4ever · 10-23-2014, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Bartee was a victim of the idiocy of the Kansas City Chiefs.

William Bartee was a Safety in college. The great and wise people of the Kansas City Chiefs front office thought it would be a fantastic idea to draft a Safety, which they did not need, and move him over to cornerback, arguably the most challenging position on defense.

I know who ****ing William Bartee is. He had no business coming in the first place. He only played two years at OU and defended 12 passes with 2 total interceptions in college.

I never said Fleming was the second coming of anything. I said he's better than Bartee.

Direckshun · 10-23-2014, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

As far as Fleming goes, I don't see what everyone is so jazzed about. He got 4/4 completed against him, and 2 penalties. The one PI was complete and total horseshit, but it counted nonetheless.

There were actually two passes his way that went incomplete.

It was closer to 4/6. Just wanted to correct the record on that.

ThaVirus · 10-23-2014, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Why is everyone so ready to release Sean smith? He's been much better than I thought he would be and has been a damn good corner for us. He's young and in his prime.

People have had it out for him since day one.

O.city · 10-23-2014, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

People have had it out for him since day one.

I know.

Seems he's been a pretty damn good corner for us

Direckshun · 10-23-2014, 09:22 AM

Hey *I* was the guy who argued he was one of the better signings in 2013. And I still believe that. But that doesn't change the fact that he has a tough cap number in 2015.

He's got elite measurables to be a #1 CB, and when the light is on, that's exactly what he is. When it's off however, he can get torched.

I was extremely pleased about his play this preseason, how enthusiastic he was even playing on the 2nd team. He's a great presence in the locker room, and honestly the Chiefs may have no choice but to keep him for his last year, but that's #1 CB money he's making if we do.

lcarus · 10-23-2014, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I know.

Seems he's been a pretty damn good corner for us

I agree wholeheartedly. He's gotten beat a few times and people always magnify shit like that. As if it doesn't happen to them all.

Direckshun · 10-23-2014, 09:30 AM

I have never gotten beaten in coverage on an NFL field.

**Lzen** · 10-23-2014, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

His confidence is probably shot. Probably giving him some time to reset I would guess.

This is my belief, as well. I think Cooper lost a lot of confidence after Manning and Rivers exposed him in the 2nd half of last season. If a player (any player really but especially at the CB position) loses confidence, it's over.

ToxSocks · 10-23-2014, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

It's all contingent on Fleming panning out, which I've been very frank about.

If Fleming does pan out, all of what I've said is true. That's an above-average NFL secondary.

I'm willing to bet that if a lot of shitty players stopped playing shitty they'd be average to above average.

ToxSocks · 10-23-2014, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Bartee was a victim of the idiocy of the Kansas City Chiefs.

William Bartee was a Safety in college. The great and wise people of the Kansas City Chiefs front office thought it would be a fantastic idea to draft a Safety, which they did not need, and move him over to cornerback, arguably the most challenging position on defense.

The kid wasn't cut out to play corner, and the front office and defensive coaches and Grampa Dick were just to ****ing stupid to realize it. He NEVER looked for the football. He had NO awareness, no feel for the position whatsoever.

As far as Fleming goes, I don't see what everyone is so jazzed about. He got 4/4 completed against him, and 2 penalties. The one PI was complete and total horseshit, but it counted nonetheless.

Cooper has struggled, but got completely ****ed by the non-call in the 49er game on the shot to the face he took from Stevie Johnson downfield so that scrub could get separation for the TD. Illegal Contact, Hands to the Face, multiple calls could have been made on that play against Johnson but the officials elected to ignore that for some reason.

Cooper is likely having some confidence issues that they are trying to get him through. He can play, we've seen him do it.

I hope this Fleming kid works out, but he's no ****ing knight in shining armor here to save our secondary and kick Sean Smith to the curb.

That's ****ing hilarious.

Lets see the kid get thrown at without a completion, or a penalty first.

Baby steps.

Cooper sucks. He's a target now that every NFL team attacks with success. He got bitch slapped by Stevie Johnson. WR's don't respect Cooper and it shows on the field.

ToxSocks · 10-23-2014, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

Cooper did, does, and will always suck

This. There never shoulda been Marcus Cooper hype to begin with.

ToxSocks · 10-23-2014, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Why is everyone so ready to release Sean smith? He's been much better than I thought he would be and has been a damn good corner for us. He's young and in his prime.

I agree. He's been much better than i thought, and certainly much better than he was last season.

jLoy88 · 10-23-2014, 09:52 AM

Yes!! Watching that Chargers game I saw Gaines make 3-4 huge plays to break up really good passes by Rivers', was so stoked to see our DB's playing tight coverage and getting their damn heads around for the ball to make a play on it. We're turning a corner this season I can just feel it. My prediction: 10-6, Wildcard berth.

saphojunkie · 10-23-2014, 11:21 AM

It's kind of amazing to me how much discussion is going into the benching of a 7th round waiver pickup who has been torched consistently.

The way everyone is analyzing this you'd think Cooper was a first round draft pick.

**Rausch** · 10-23-2014, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

It's kind of amazing to me how much discussion is going into the benching of a 7th round waiver pickup who has been torched consistently.

The way everyone is analyzing this you'd think Cooper was a first round draft pick.

He's a castoff being benched for a castoff.

I had, and still have long term hopes for Cooper but it is what it is. I don't think Fleming works out any better in the short term...

10-23-2014, 12:29 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Fleming still starting on the outside, Gaines still in the slot. Wow. It is amazing how fast the Chiefs went from full-on homer with Marcus Cooper to now pretending the guy doesn't exist. We need more information on this Fleming kid. Anybody follow him prior to him ending up in KC? http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...le3258069.html Chiefs to stick with new starters in the secondary on Sunday By RANDY COVITZ- 10/22/2014 3:04 PM Chiefs coach Andy Reid said the team likely will stick with cornerbacks Jamell Fleming and rookie Phillip Gaines in the lineup Sunday against St. Louis. Fleming, who was signed during the second week of the season, started at left cornerback in place of Marcus Cooper, and Gaines opened at nickel back. “There’s a chance we’ll do that,” Reid said. “There were some good things that Fleming did. He settled down as the game went on. His juices were flowing early. Gaines did a good job on the inside, and when he had chances on the outside, he did a nice job there. “I came out feeling positive about it. Is there room to improve? We have to continue to get better there.” Smith’s Rams memory Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith’s life turned upside down the last time he faced the St. Louis Rams. While playing for San Francisco, he suffered a concussion on Nov. 11, 2012, in a 24-24 tie against St. Louis, and he never returned to the lineup. Smith’s backup, Colin Kaepernick, started the final seven regular-season games, three postseason games and the Super Bowl, and Smith was traded to the Chiefs in the spring of 2013. “I haven’t given it that much thought,” Smith said. “Certainly I recognize when we go over the personnel, some of these guys. I remember the game. I remember it well. But I haven’t really thought about the what-ifs.” Smith, who rushed for a club-record 431 yards by a quarterback last season, uses the feet-first slide more than he did as a younger player, but not because of the hit he absorbed against the Rams. “You get older, you get smarter,” said Smith, 30. “Whether you like it or not, as a quarterback, you’re a target, and you get outside the pocket, some of the rules that protect you go away. So it’s being smart, understanding situations, and for the most part protecting yourself when you get outside the pocket.” Injury report The Chiefs said wide receivers Donnie Avery (sports hernia) and Junior Hemingway (strained hamstring), and cornerback Chris Owens (concussion) did not practice Wednesday. Strong safety Eric Berry, who has missed the last four games because of a high ankle sprain, worked with the scout team and was to be re-evaluated after practice. Tight end Travis Kelce (ribs) and cornerback Sean Smith (groin) were limited. The Rams said cornerback Janoris Jenkins (knee), guard Rodger Saffold (knee), defensive end William Hayes (illness), safety T.J. McDondald (concussion) and wide receiver Kenny Britt (ankle) did not practice. Dorsey, Bienemy nominated Chiefs general manager John Dorsey and running backs coach Eric Bienemy are among several players with ties to the team who have been nominated for the College Football Hall of Fame’s Class of 2015. Dorsey, a linebacker at Connecticut during 1981-83, was nominated in the Divisional class. Bienemy, a running back at Colorado, helped lead the Buffaloes to the 1990 national title. Former Chiefs who were nominated include defensive end Art Still, an all-American at Kentucky and the club’s first pick in the 1978 draft; and running back Paul Palmer of Temple, who led the nation in rushing and was a first-round pick in 1987.
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10-23-2014, 09:22 AM	#35
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Hey I was the guy who argued he was one of the better signings in 2013. And I still believe that. But that doesn't change the fact that he has a tough cap number in 2015. He's got elite measurables to be a #1 CB, and when the light is on, that's exactly what he is. When it's off however, he can get torched. I was extremely pleased about his play this preseason, how enthusiastic he was even playing on the 2nd team. He's a great presence in the locker room, and honestly the Chiefs may have no choice but to keep him for his last year, but that's #1 CB money he's making if we do.
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	I have never gotten beaten in coverage on an NFL field.
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jLoy88 Starter Join Date: Dec 2013 Casino cash: $9957641	Yes!! Watching that Chargers game I saw Gaines make 3-4 huge plays to break up really good passes by Rivers', was so stoked to see our DB's playing tight coverage and getting their damn heads around for the ball to make a play on it. We're turning a corner this season I can just feel it. My prediction: 10-6, Wildcard berth.
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saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $2156550	It's kind of amazing to me how much discussion is going into the benching of a 7th round waiver pickup who has been torched consistently. The way everyone is analyzing this you'd think Cooper was a first round draft pick.
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