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**alnorth** · 10:10 PM

Final	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	R	H	E
KC	0	0	4	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	12	1
SF	1	0	1	0	2	3	4	0	X	11	16	0

Series Tied, 2-2

Jason Vargas 4IP 3R 3ER 2BB 3K
Jason Frasor ⅓IP 1R 1ER 0BB 0K
Danny Duffy ⅔IP 0R 0ER 1BB 1K
Loss Brandon Finnegan 1IP 5R 5ER 2BB 0K
Tim Collins 2IP 2R 2ER 1BB 2K

VS.

Ryan Vogelsong 2⅔IP 4R 4ER 1BB 2K
Jean Machi ⅓IP 0R 0ER 1BB 1K
Win Yusmeiro Petit 3IP 0R 0ER 0BB 2K
Hold Jeremy Affeldt 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K
Sergio Romo 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K
Hunter Strickland 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K

Home Runs

none

Starting Lineups

KC

1. Alcides Escobar, SS
2. Alex Gordon, LF
3. Lorenzo Cain, RF
4. Eric Hosmer, 1B
5. Mike Moustakas, 3B
5. Tim Collins, P
6. Omar Infante, 2B
7. Salvador Perez, C
8. Jarrod Dyson, CF
9. Jason Vargas, P
9. Jason Frasor, P
9. Danny Duffy, P
9. Norichika Aoki, ph
9. Brandon Finnegan, P
9. Jayson Nix, 3B

SF

1. Gregor Blanco, CF
2. Joe Panik, 2B
3. Buster Posey, C
4. Hunter Pence, RF
5. Pablo Sandoval, 3B
6. Brandon Belt, 1B
7. Juan Perez, LF
8. Brandon Crawford, SS
9. Ryan Vogelsong, P
9. Jean Machi, P
9. Matt Duffy, ph
9. Yusmeiro Petit, P
9. Jeremy Affeldt, P
9. Michael Morse, ph
9. Sergio Romo, P
9. Travis Ishikawa, ph
9. Hunter Strickland, P

Sassy Squatch · 10-25-2014, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

tomorrow is all about Shields. Nothing more.

Maybe we can get more than 1 hot inning out of the bats too?

ChiefsCountry · 10-25-2014, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Instead, Aoki hits it right at the 1st baseman, pulls off a double play. Bam. I just knew.

That was just an excellent defense play. A double play to the left side with Dyson running is pretty much one hell of a play.

**alnorth** · 10-25-2014, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

Well, I believe my evidence is very strong.

Had Don Denkinger called out instead of safe, St. Louis would had most likely won the game. Instead, St. Louis lost it shit, and blew the game. The aftermath was in Game 7, St. Louis got their shit kicked in.

Had Steve Bartman didn't do a dumbass catching the ball, and if Alou would have caught that, the Cubs would have most likely been in the World Series. Instead, he ****s up the play, frustrated the Cubs/fans/players, etc, and the Marlins took advantage of "Oh, we got a lucky break". It definitely impacted the game. The aftermath, the Cubs lose Game 7.

I can go on and on and on, but I'll just say, momentum do exist in sports, either you agree with it or not.

That is not momentum.

**cdcox** · 10-25-2014, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

well, it doesn't. Momentum is not a real thing in baseball.

Things like baseballs, players, and bats have mass and velocity. The product of mass and velocity is momentum. Therefore momentum exists in the sport of baseball.

Chiefs Pantalones · 10-25-2014, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

tomorrow is all about Shields. Nothing more.

This. MadBum is an average pitcher when he gets little to no run support. Shields...get it, boy.

**DeezNutz** · 10-25-2014, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

I'll clarify. The effect of "momentum", especially in the world series, is so small that it may as well not exist.

It might be more of a thing in the dog days of August.

I don't think it's affecting "effort" in the slightest bit. But the influence on confidence is huge.

And I appreciate the counter-argument to suggest that confidence has no effect on outcome, and this is wrong in baseball. Quantifiable? Again, probably not. Not sure how or what that metric would be.

Does it exist? Yes.

**alnorth** · 10-25-2014, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Things like baseballs, players, and bats have mass and velocity. The product of mass and velocity is momentum. Therefore momentum exists in the sport of baseball.

true

**Mav** · 10-25-2014, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

That was just an excellent defense play. A double play to the left side with Dyson running is pretty much one hell of a play.

was that better than Dyson's catch?

I still cant believe that he caught that.

**007** · 10-25-2014, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Maybe we can get more than 1 hot inning out of the bats too?

Unfortunately, the bats are the bats. They are streaky. The pitching has to keep us in the game. period.

ChiefsCountry · 10-25-2014, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

was that better than Dyson's catch?

I still cant believe that he caught that.

I think so. How many double plays do you see hit to the right side of the infield, especially to the first baseman. Its just unnatural type of play. You see way more diving catches in the outfield.

**cdcox** · 10-25-2014, 10:44 PM

Here's what the math says about team's getting hot:

"...my conclusion is there may be a very weak positive correlation between pairs of consecutive games, and less probably a weaker correlation with a length of three games, but certainly no correlation on a timescale of more than three games."

http://spiff.rit.edu/richmond/baseba...orr/delay.html

**DeezNutz** · 10-25-2014, 10:44 PM

This game has me feeling like the subject of Ice Cube's No Vaseline.

Kidd Lex · 10-25-2014, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The baseball experts around here all agree that it doesn't exist.

Starting to wonder if our resident expert ever played sports. I knew momentum existed when I was 12, and I pitched through college, and absolutely momentum exists in baseball in my opinion.

In my opinion momentum is at the heart of sports, an in tonight's game we all knew the momentum shifted out of our favor the moment they turned the dp on aoki.

Arguing momentum doesn't exists in baseball, and its akin to voodoo magic. I don't know man...

Molitoth · 10-25-2014, 10:46 PM

Momentum is directly tied to confidence, and confidence or lack-there-of can exist in anything.

**alnorth** · 10-25-2014, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The God Hypothesis

Starting to wonder if our resident expert ever played sports. I knew momentum existed when I was 12, and I pitched through college, and absolutely momentum exists in baseball in my opinion.

In my opinion momentum is at the heart of sports, an in tonight's game we all knew the momentum shifted out of our favor the moment they turned the dp on aoki.

Arguing momentum doesn't exists in baseball, and its akin to voodoo magic. I don't know man...

If your team has a lead and it suddenly becomes tied, are you suddenly going to be..... somehow.... magically.... worse than you would have if your team still had the lead?

No, you wouldn't. If things don't go well and you lose, you'll look back and think thats the time you lost the "momentum". If you score and win anyway, you are not going to go back and think "gee I thought there might be momentum at the time, but I was wrong".

Its confirmation bias. Its the same reason why people think they are unlucky or hit all the red lights. They don't remember when good unlikely things happen or when it was all green.

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