Berry or Hali...who is more valuable?

[BlackOp]

It was pretty much the consensus that drafting Ford spelled the exit for Hali next off-season...being that KC's defense is playing better this season with Berry on the bench, who is more valuable? I'm wondering if DJ hadn't been injured..if Berry's absence would even be noticed.

Hali is hands down my favorite Chief...his life history is pretty amazing. He is the veteran leader of the defense...KC would miss him in the locker room.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Hey, YOU said in the AustinChief thread that CP taught you new words.

I like it, not a word you hear used very often.

[Direckshun]

One time I used "hypotenuse" in a thread and Claynus almost shit his pants.

[Easy 6]

I'm pretty proud of my vocabulary and I've NEVER heard of that one, got me there.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

I'm pretty proud of my vocabulary and I've NEVER heard of that one, got me there.

You've heard of a hypotenuse.

Look up a right triangle. It's the diagonal edge of a triangle.

You learned about it in high school.

[Hydrae]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

We've really got to stop hyping up our pass defense. Rivers, Manning and Locker had their way with us while Kaep did pretty well. We've only truly looked good against the pass in 2/6 games this season.

We are good at generating pressure and getting off the field on 3rd downs but that's about it.

Just addressing Rivers. You know, the guy who people were starting to talk about as having reached a new level and maybe even an outside shot at MVP. The Chiefs only shut him down and held him to his worst stats of the season.

But he had his way with us so carry on...

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Hydrae

Just addressing Rivers. You know, the guy who people were starting to talk about as having reached a new level and maybe even an outside shot at MVP. The Chiefs only shut him down and held him to his worst stats of the season.



But he had his way with us so carry on...

They scored 20 points in 20 minutes. He had his way with us.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Berry blitzed more than any saf3ty in the league by a mile. Let's start there. If he blitzes less, he's in coverage more. I don't see Abdullah playing the box in nearly the same way berry did and definitely not blitzing as much. Berry in an Abdullah role may play better. Which again begs the question, is it Sutton or berry that forced berry into the box or as a Blitzer? In either event, I'm leaning to berry to move to free safety but not because it's a better use of his skill set. Because I question if he has the football iq we think he has.

Exactly how much Football IQ do you think a safety needs? Like Peyton Manning IQ or???

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

You've heard of a hypotenuse.

Look up a right triangle. It's the diagonal edge of a triangle.

You learned about it in high school.

Hell watch the Wizard of Oz.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by O.city

It's also a pretty big indicator that, yes, when Houston and Tamba went down last year, the defense was markedly different.

It was dog$#it...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Exactly how much Football IQ do you think a safety needs? Like Peyton Manning IQ or???

If you've watched Ed Reed and Polamalu, you'd know what a difference football IQ makes. Those guys are elite so that's not a huge deal if Berry doesn't have that level of IQ. But we are talking about a guy who could become an extremely highly paid safety.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If you've watched Ed Reed and Polamalu, you'd know what a difference football IQ makes. Those guys are elite so that's not a huge deal if Berry doesn't have that level of IQ. But we are talking about a guy who could become an extremely highly paid safety.

You're overplaying this whole football IQ, freedom to make adjustments bullshit agument,

I'd bet you that if you were to go back and watch every game that Polamulu and Reed played and compare them to games that Berry has played, you'd find that neither of them lined up in the box in 4 gamen stretches as often as Berry has in a single game.

That imits his adjustments far more than Reed and Polamulu.

[ShortRoundChief]

Originally Posted by Rausch

It was dog$#it...

dog, dollar, pound it?

what dat

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

You're overplaying this whole football IQ, freedom to make adjustments bullshit agument,

I'd bet you that if you were to go back and watch every game that Polamulu and Reed played and compare them to games that Berry has played, you'd find that neither of them lined up in the box in 4 gamen stretches as often as Berry has in a single game.

That imits his adjustments far more than Reed and Polamulu.

Playing in the box actually gives Berry more ability to make adjustments because he can communicate directly with his linebackers. One of the main reasons Buddy Ryan started to line his safeties at that level. Most notably, a signature of Ryan's 46 defense was using the safety in a jayhawk adjustment. In a Ryan defense, the strong safety should have flexibility to read the defense, make a pre-snap adjustment, and have the linebackers adjust to what he's doing. That's how Landry has been used with the Jets. See below.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.1946766
"Ryan, who coached Landry for three seasons in Baltimore before bringing him back last year, trusts the veteran to absorb pre-snap offensive looks, make the proper adjustments and convey the changes to teammates. He is Ryan’s Chief Communicator in the secondary with thankless responsibilities that will never make SportsCenter."

So again, if in a Ryan defense, the strong safety is given lots of pre-snap responsibility... you and I both agree that Berry is playing WAY too many snaps as a linebacker and a blitzer. I really wonder if that's because of Sutton's playcall or Berry's pre-snap adjustment. I get that you think he should play single high -- I think he'd excel in that role too. But there's no doubt Berry has the physical ability to play SS. So it's more than fair to ask if he's handling the job mentally as well as we think he is. If he isn't, that's just another reason to consider him for free safety.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If you've watched Ed Reed and Polamalu, you'd know what a difference football IQ makes. Those guys are elite so that's not a huge deal if Berry doesn't have that level of IQ. But we are talking about a guy who could become an extremely highly paid safety.

Become? The dude is making 20 million in two years here. He already is.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

If Berry were the reason we were getting best deep as much, you'd have a point.

Replacing Lewis and demps did that trick.

We haven't yet gotten to see what Berry can be added to the current group of safetied

Fair to ask. Maybe he plays less LB if the ILBs are more consistently fulfilling their gap responsibilities. Maybe he blitzes less now that we're getting better pressure from our D-line. Maybe he has less of a need to cover Kendrick Lewis' field.

Or maybe Berry doesn't read offenses as much as we give him credit for. Certainly an interesting question we'll have a better sense for when he comes back.