Home and Auto CP Jeep Folks - Page 2

KCUnited · 11-18-2014, 04:11 PM

2001 XJ, won't turn over. Electric works. Took it to a shop I thought I trusted yesterday who said the starter was bad and replaced it. Picked it up and brought it home last night. Just went out to run some errands and it won't turnover, same thing, electric fine just won't start.

Any thoughts on what's wrong with it? This thing has been stolen a few times in the past, ignition maybe?

Did I totally get jobbed on replacing the starter yesterday?

***it's an aids thing, I completely understand***
***off road through an antifreeze puddle***

Radar Chief · 11-18-2014, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited

CaliforniaChief probably has better odds of re-plumbing Oakland Coliseum than I do of fixing this myself.

Was replacing the starter logical, or was that bullshit? I'm just trying to get some insight before I take it back up there to have them look at it again.

You near JasonsAuto? He'll treat you right.

Frosty · 11-18-2014, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penguinz

Ignition starter switch or the Neutral Safety Switch. NSS is expensive as hell. Can be self reconditioned if you are comfortable doing so.

I'm betting it's the bold. I had a car with a manual that had the safety switch on the clutch go out and it did the same thing (wouldn't even try to turn over though electrical stuff worked).

stumppy · 11-18-2014, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited

CaliforniaChief probably has better odds of re-plumbing Oakland Coliseum than I do of fixing this myself.

Was replacing the starter logical, or was that bullshit? I'm just trying to get some insight before I take it back up there to have them look at it again.

For a shade tree mechanic it might be but not for a shop. They could have checked to see if the starter was -1st, getting power-2cnd, would crank when it did get power. Someone didn't take the time to diagnose it correctly.

Frosty · 11-18-2014, 04:50 PM

Probably a dumb question (I know more about manuals than automatics), but if it is the NSS, would trying to start it in Neutral instead of Park make a difference?

kaplin42 · 11-18-2014, 04:51 PM

Not sure, but I would take it back to the shop and tell them that it didn't solve the problem so they need to try again.

**SAUTO** · 11-18-2014, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stumppy

For a shade tree mechanic it might be but not for a shop. They could have checked to see if the starter was -1st, getting power-2cnd, would crank when it did get power. Someone didn't take the time to diagnose it correctly.

this.

**SAUTO** · 11-18-2014, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosty

Probably a dumb question (I know more about manuals than automatics), but if it is the NSS, would trying to start it in Neutral instead of Park make a difference?

and this is what i would try first...

KCUnited · 11-18-2014, 04:54 PM

It started last Thursday, got in it, first crank got nothing, 2nd time it turned over. Drove Friday and Saturday no problem. Would not start all day Sunday. After a few tries it started on Monday and I drove it straight to the shop. It obviously fired when I picked it up and it fired first thing this morning when I pulled it out to the street. Now it won't turn.

**SAUTO** · 11-18-2014, 04:55 PM

and i would wiggle the ground cable, if its not tight at the block it will do the same thing as described.

KCUnited · 11-18-2014, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frosty

Probably a dumb question (I know more about manuals than automatics), but if it is the NSS, would trying to start it in Neutral instead of Park make a difference?

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

and this is what i would try first...

**** me this worked. Can I rely on this all the time?

**penguinz** · 11-18-2014, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited

**** me this worked. Can I rely on this all the time?

Should work for quite awhile. I would recommend finding a friend that will help you recondition it.

KCUnited · 11-18-2014, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penguinz

Should work for quite awhile. I would recommend finding a friend that will help you recondition it.

You seem nice.

Dr. Gigglepants · 11-18-2014, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penguinz

Ignition starter switch or the Neutral Safety Switch. NSS is expensive as hell. Can be self reconditioned if you are comfortable doing so.

my 90s cherokee had a NSS problem. If you can start it by pushing the gear shifter forward it's the NSS. I can't remember if mine wouldn't turn over or if there was nothing happening at all when I turned the key.

**penguinz** · 11-18-2014, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Gigglepants

my 90s cherokee had a NSS problem. If you can start it by pushing the gear shifter forward it's the NSS. I can't remember if mine wouldn't turn over or if there was nothing happening at all when I turned the key.

Electrical will function. Purpose is to prevent ability to start when in gear. For safety reasons the NSS will only allow start in park or neutral.

colt459 · 11-18-2014, 05:55 PM

I just had this happen to my 1999 XJ. It is an easy repair, took me about an hour and a few beers. Here is the write up I used.
www-
jeep-xj.info/HowtoNSSrebuild.htm -Sorry I can't Link.

My problem was that one of the contacts, with the springs behind it, had become lodged inside the slot. Remove the contacts slowly so the spring doesn't shoot out and get lost. The hardest part is getting the plug fed back up the firewall. Also use a flat head screw driver to pry the NSS of the transmission, by gently using the edge of the tranny for leverage.

11-18-2014, 04:11 PM
KCUnited Cheat Death Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Land of Drincoln Casino cash: $-1591756	CP Jeep Folks 2001 XJ, won't turn over. Electric works. Took it to a shop I thought I trusted yesterday who said the starter was bad and replaced it. Picked it up and brought it home last night. Just went out to run some errands and it won't turnover, same thing, electric fine just won't start. Any thoughts on what's wrong with it? This thing has been stolen a few times in the past, ignition maybe? Did I totally get jobbed on replacing the starter yesterday? *it's an aids thing, I completely understand* *off road through an antifreeze puddle*
Posts: 36,990

11-18-2014, 04:50 PM	#19
Frosty Go Beavers! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Washington Casino cash: $3388243	Probably a dumb question (I know more about manuals than automatics), but if it is the NSS, would trying to start it in Neutral instead of Park make a difference?
Posts: 14,540

11-18-2014, 04:51 PM	#20
kaplin42 Thats Right, Sniff the Glue!!! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: tubbytronic superdome Casino cash: $10007177	Not sure, but I would take it back to the shop and tell them that it didn't solve the problem so they need to try again.
Posts: 3,469

11-18-2014, 04:54 PM	#23
KCUnited Cheat Death Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Land of Drincoln Casino cash: $-1591756	It started last Thursday, got in it, first crank got nothing, 2nd time it turned over. Drove Friday and Saturday no problem. Would not start all day Sunday. After a few tries it started on Monday and I drove it straight to the shop. It obviously fired when I picked it up and it fired first thing this morning when I pulled it out to the street. Now it won't turn.
Posts: 36,990

11-18-2014, 04:55 PM	#24
SAUTO Shit Join Date: Jun 2008 Casino cash: $10039067	and i would wiggle the ground cable, if its not tight at the block it will do the same thing as described.
Posts: 55,715

11-18-2014, 05:55 PM	#30
colt459 Starter Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Emerald Coast Casino cash: $-1452839	I just had this happen to my 1999 XJ. It is an easy repair, took me about an hour and a few beers. Here is the write up I used. www- jeep-xj.info/HowtoNSSrebuild.htm -Sorry I can't Link. My problem was that one of the contacts, with the springs behind it, had become lodged inside the slot. Remove the contacts slowly so the spring doesn't shoot out and get lost. The hardest part is getting the plug fed back up the firewall. Also use a flat head screw driver to pry the NSS of the transmission, by gently using the edge of the tranny for leverage.
Posts: 31