Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs

[cmh6476]

stat-wise and Because we are the Chiefs and DKTM

Trent Green 2002 (32 years old)
287/470 - 61.1% 3,690 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs

Alex Smith 2014 (30 years old)
303/464 - 65.3% 3,265 yards 18 TDs 6 INTs

Well sans the TDs but Green only had 17 in 2001 and Smith had 23 in 2013.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Could Alex Smith put up the numbers that Flacco and Stafford have? No.

Could they do what Smith does? Absolutely. Chase Daniel just did what Alex Smith does on half a week's practice in his second career start.

Again, Alex Smith looks average because he takes no risks, so you don't have bad plays/decisions to point out, and since few of us have All-22, you can't see the numerous throws he leaves all over the field.

Ultimately, a QB that forces a ball in a tight spot on 3rd and goal twice and gets a touchdown and a pick out of it has made better plays than the guy who chucks it into the stands twice, but the second guy "protects the ball," so he's considered the better player. It's bullshit. Second grade math, actually.

7/2=3.5
6/2=3.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Could Alex Smith put up the numbers that Flacco and Stafford have? No.

Could they do what Smith does? Absolutely. Chase Daniel just did what Alex Smith does on half a week's practice in his second career start.

Again, Alex Smith looks average because he takes no risks, so you don't have bad plays/decisions to point out, and since few of us have All-22, you can't see the numerous throws he leaves all over the field.

Ultimately, a QB that forces a ball in a tight spot on 3rd and goal twice and gets a touchdown and a pick out of it has made better plays than the guy who chucks it into the stands twice, but the second guy "protects the ball," so he's considered the better player. It's bullshit. Second grade math, actually.

7/2=3.5
6/2=3.

Begone, prophet. Your truths are not welcome here.

[jonzie04]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yup. This is like bragging that you bought a dvd player for 250. Yardage inflation. Only a handful of 4000 yard passers 10 years ago.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Could Alex Smith put up the numbers that Flacco and Stafford have? No.

Could they do what Smith does? Absolutely. Chase Daniel just did what Alex Smith does on half a week's practice in his second career start.

Again, Alex Smith looks average because he takes no risks, so you don't have bad plays/decisions to point out, and since few of us have All-22, you can't see the numerous throws he leaves all over the field.

Ultimately, a QB that forces a ball in a tight spot on 3rd and goal twice and gets a touchdown and a pick out of it has made better plays than the guy who chucks it into the stands twice, but the second guy "protects the ball," so he's considered the better player. It's bullshit. Second grade math, actually.

7/2=3.5
6/2=3.

But both of those guys are statues, they'd barely be able to get off all of those long chucks behind this mess... and again, this isnt intended to absolve smith, just to point out that the line really is that bad.

75% of the time their back foot would just be hitting the 5th step before a defender came crashing down on them as they tried to sling it deep.

[BigMeatballDave]

A ton of Bowe hate on Facebook.

Just a huge amount of ignorant fans.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

But both of those guys are statues, they'd barely be able to get off all of those long chucks behind this mess... and again, this isnt intended to absolve smith, just to point out that the line really is that bad.

75% of the time their back foot would just be hitting the 5th step before a defender came crashing down on them as they tried to sling it deep.

This sounds most plausible.

You win at the internet for today!!

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by jd1020

It's also common sense to think that if the Chiefs didn't trade for Smith and used those picks for something else that this OL might not be the same as it is today.

I don't believe so.

Hudson, Stephenson and Allen in 2013 performed well enough that the Chiefs weren't going into 2014 thinking they needed anything but depth upon the offensive line (Fulton and LDT were proof of that thinking). Kush played well in the final game of the 2013 season, so there was no reason to believe that a backup center was needed.

Unfortunately, Stephenson was suspended and it was clear the coaching staff and front office kept him around as a last resort and were extremely disappointed with his decision making. Allen, who actually looked decent at right tackle, tore a muscle and was gone for the year at LG.

The front office and coaching staff had made no contingency plans for the loss of two starting offensive lineman and the line struggled all year.

Despite that, it would seem rather odd for the Chiefs to have invested in a starting offensive lineman in 2013 or 2014 other than Fisher, as the previous front office had invested multiple seconds and a third round pick the previous two years (Hudson, Allen, Stephenson).

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

This sounds most plausible.

You win at the internet for today!!

Dont take it as a Smith defense, whatever you do, because that guy ruined me on him in three games like I've truly never experienced before.

Its just that either one of those other guys would get creamed atleast twice as much as Smith when attempting a 5-7 step drop.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Could Alex Smith put up the numbers that Flacco and Stafford have? No.

Could they do what Smith does? Absolutely. Chase Daniel just did what Alex Smith does on half a week's practice in his second career start.

Again, Alex Smith looks average because he takes no risks, so you don't have bad plays/decisions to point out, and since few of us have All-22, you can't see the numerous throws he leaves all over the field.

Ultimately, a QB that forces a ball in a tight spot on 3rd and goal twice and gets a touchdown and a pick out of it has made better plays than the guy who chucks it into the stands twice, but the second guy "protects the ball," so he's considered the better player. It's bullshit. Second grade math, actually.

7/2=3.5
6/2=3.

The Alex Smith we saw during much of the winning streak was excellent. As I've said before, if Smith converts 3rd downs and closes games, his approach to the game is fine.

He didn't do that during their 9-0 streak last year and was grossly overrated (awful in the 4th quarter, awful on 3rd downs -- I think we ended the year in the bottom 10 in 3rd down conversion %). At the end of last year, he was scoring points but couldn't close games. At the end of this year, the Chiefs were something like a miserable ~30% on 3rd down conversion %. Alex Smith has shown flashes of being an effective QB. Unfortunately, they are mostly flashes and the rest has been awful 3rd down conversions + whiffing on 4 games this year where we had a chance to win the game on the final drive. Mostly in horrendous fashion.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

A ton of Bowe hate on Facebook.

Just a huge amount of ignorant fans.

Because if you take any team - say, a 6-10 failure like Atlanta - and look at their top 2 WRs (Julio Jones and Roddy White), then Bowe may be at #3.

In Chicago...Detroit...Buffalo...Green Bay...Denver...Cincy...Jax...Arizona...SD...****, even CLEVELAND has better WRs than Bowe.

He's a decent #2, he'd make a GREAT #3...

But when Bowe is your clear cut #1 (and it isn't even close), then your WR corps is dogshit.

Because Bowe isn't fast, isn't particularly smart, doesn't run great routes, doesn't have great natural hands...

He's just a big body, he runs a good slant. You can get him on a fade if the DB gets caught sleeping. He does good on drags and crossing routes too...

But he will never be Larry Fitzgerald.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Dont take it as a Smith defense, whatever you do, because that guy ruined me on him in three games like I've truly never experienced before.

Its just that either one of those other guys would get creamed atleast twice as much as Smith when attempting a 5-7 step drop.

I don't need you to defend a grown man, and he doesn't either - he's proven he's tough, look at the line that he started behind for 15 games - almost got him killed. LITERALLY.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Because if you take any team - say, a 6-10 failure like Atlanta - and look at their top 2 WRs (Julio Jones and Roddy White), then Bowe may be at #3.

In Chicago...Detroit...Buffalo...Green Bay...Denver...Cincy...Jax...Arizona...SD...****, even CLEVELAND has better WRs than Bowe.

He's a decent #2, he'd make a GREAT #3...

But when Bowe is your clear cut #1 (and it isn't even close), then your WR corps is dogshit.

Because Bowe isn't fast, isn't particularly smart, doesn't run great routes, doesn't have great natural hands...

He's just a big body, he runs a good slant. You can get him on a fade if the DB gets caught sleeping. He does good on drags and crossing routes too...

But he will never be Larry Fitzgerald.

Even IF one could accept Bowe as a very good #2.. and I do... the WR corps as a whole is still pretty shit-soaked. There is promise in midgets Wilson and DAT.. but they have a long road to go before being convincingly legit at WR. Avery, Hammond, AJJ, Hem? that is awful.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Even IF one could accept Bowe as a very good #2.. and I do... the WR corps as a whole is still pretty shit-soaked. There is promise in midgets Wilson and DAT.. but they have a long road to go before being convincingly legit at WR. Avery, Hammond, AJJ, Hem? that is awful.

Avery, Hammond, and Hemingway need to be cut outright, except Hemingway is good on ST.

I think the only WRs that are even worth retaining are Avant, Dat, Wilson and (if he restructures) Bowe.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

A ton of Bowe hate on Facebook.

Just a huge amount of ignorant fans.

I'm officially done with Bowe. His play has not equaled his pay for the past two years. He doesn't work hard enough to catch tough balls and IMO, he's a #3 at best.

Any team that pays him more than $5 million next year is run by fools.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Avery, Hammond, and Hemingway need to be cut outright, except Hemingway is good on ST.

I think the only WRs that are even worth retaining are Avant, Dat, Wilson and (if he restructures) Bowe.

I would retain Hammond as the #5.. mainly due to the cheap and easy ERFA tender. Talent-wise.. he's okay as a #5 and shows some ability as a returner.

Avery can kick rocks. Bowe too, unless he takes a large pay-cut. I hold some hope that DAT and Wilson can be good in the #3/#4 roles.

I'd look to sign Avant if both Bowe and Avery are gone.