Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs

[cmh6476]

stat-wise and Because we are the Chiefs and DKTM

Trent Green 2002 (32 years old)
287/470 - 61.1% 3,690 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs

Alex Smith 2014 (30 years old)
303/464 - 65.3% 3,265 yards 18 TDs 6 INTs

Well sans the TDs but Green only had 17 in 2001 and Smith had 23 in 2013.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

And Alex probably isn't anywhere near Trent's yards per attempt or per completion.

Those 70 yard screens to Priest worked wonders for Trent's ypa, didn't they??

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

He's a decent #2, he'd make a GREAT #3...

JFC.

Bowe is TOP 30 AMONG ACTIVE RECEIVERS BY MEANS OF YARDS AND TDs

A great no. 3 receiver? You truly can't be this dumb. Bowe is a #3 WR only if he's got Antonio Brown and Martavis Bryant or Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders ahead of him on the depth chart.

Fun fact, dipshit: Denver and Pittsburgh are the exceptions to the rule here, and note that in the latter case, the Broncos have just as much of a chance of going in to 2015 without Thomas as they do with him.

Dwayne Bowe a #3 WR. That's insanity.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Those 70 yard screens to Priest worked wonders for Trent's ypa, didn't they??

are u suggesting that Fulton, McGlynn, and Harris are not exceptional screen blockers in space? how dare you, sir!

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Those 70 yard screens to Priest worked wonders for Trent's ypa, didn't they??

You mean Dante Hall?

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

JFC.

Bowe is TOP 30 AMONG ACTIVE RECEIVERS BY MEANS OF YARDS AND TDs

A great no. 3 receiver? You truly can't be this dumb. Bowe is a #3 WR only if he's got Antonio Brown and Martavis Bryant or Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders ahead of him on the depth chart.

Fun fact, dipshit: Denver and Pittsburgh are the exceptions to the rule here, and note that in the latter case, the Broncos have just as much of a chance of going in to 2015 without Thomas as they do with him.

Dwayne Bowe a #3 WR. That's insanity.

Dwayne Bowe is a third WR. Alex Smith is a top 12 QB.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Dwayne Bowe is a third WR. Alex Smith is a top 12 QB.

Jamaal Charles has too much of an injury history, is too small and fumbles the ball too much, but he's the perfect 3rd Down RB in the league.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Those 70 yard screens to Priest worked wonders for Trent's ypa, didn't they??

Except that pass to Knile wasnt a screen, it was an actual attempt by Reid to get his backs downfield with a head of steam before giving them the ball.

Been bitching about it for atleast 8 games this year... where was the CREATIVITY in getting those 3 playmakers the ball? Most defenses are far too fast to get away with constant screens, they're going to key on guys and chase them down sideline to sideline.

BUT... if you get that ultraquick back going forward at speed and making cuts, that backer or safety covering them stands NO chance at keeping up with them as they receive the ball.

I digress, but that was a major disappointment of mine with Reid this year... sure he'd throw to the backs, but only on a parallel line where defenses could more easily diagnose it and get to it.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

JFC.

Bowe is TOP 30 AMONG ACTIVE RECEIVERS BY MEANS OF YARDS AND TDs

A great no. 3 receiver? You truly can't be this dumb. Bowe is a #3 WR only if he's got Antonio Brown and Martavis Bryant or Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders ahead of him on the depth chart.

Fun fact, dipshit: Denver and Pittsburgh are the exceptions to the rule here, and note that in the latter case, the Broncos have just as much of a chance of going in to 2015 without Thomas as they do with him.

Dwayne Bowe a #3 WR. That's insanity.

Or Tate and Johnson or Marshall and Jeffreys or Fitzgerald and Floyd or Jackson and Garcon or Woods and Watkins or Wallace and whathisnuts in Miami...

There are a LOT of teams where Bowe would be #3.

Fact.

Deal with it.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by el borracho

Why are you here? What pleasure do you derive from your activity at Chiefsplanet? I ask this not to be mean-spirited but out of genuine curiosity. You have taken a position that is opposite the majority and you have already stated your position thousands of times. What do you get out of this?

We already know that you like Alex Smith. We already know that you are not a Chiefs fan. What else is left for you here but incessant arguing with the majority who don't like Alex and are Chiefs fans?

At least he's dealing in reality. This vaunted majority you cite here, which is just a reeruned vocal minority stuck in narratives of the past, spends their time beating their meat to dreams of everything on the entire team being different, from ownership to management to coaching, but above all at quarterback.

You can't even discuss improving the line and receivers because of their naked speculation that either 'Alex needs the best line and receivers EVER ASSEMBLED to succeed' or 'we could have the best line and receivers ever and Alex would squander it all.'

Alex is STAYING, Reid is STAYING. Dorsey is STAYING. Clark is STAYING. Changes are coming at receiver and on the line. You can choose to pout about these things, or to insist that they doom the organization, . . . or you can accept reality.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm officially done with Bowe. His play has not equaled his pay for the past two years. He doesn't work hard enough to catch tough balls and IMO, he's a #3 at best.

Any team that pays him more than $5 million next year is run by fools.

Here's more of the cold, hard truth.

[Baby Lee]

'Boot in Bowe's ass' was the best thing Haley did while here, unfortunately it wore off the instant Haley left.

[jonzie04]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

JFC.

Bowe is TOP 30 AMONG ACTIVE RECEIVERS BY MEANS OF YARDS AND TDs

A great no. 3 receiver? You truly can't be this dumb. Bowe is a #3 WR only if he's got Antonio Brown and Martavis Bryant or Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders ahead of him on the depth chart.

Fun fact, dipshit: Denver and Pittsburgh are the exceptions to the rule here, and note that in the latter case, the Broncos have just as much of a chance of going in to 2015 without Thomas as they do with him.

Dwayne Bowe a #3 WR. That's insanity.

WTF does top 30 among active receivers mean? If Steve Young came out of retirement, he'd be top 5 among active QB's, would that make him a franchise QB? Bowe has produced WR 2 numbers as a #1 the past 3 years. he's gone over 800 yards ONCE in the past 3 years. And that was a whopping 801 yards. 800 yards is WR2-WR3 type of production.

Crabtree in SF
Jeffrey in CHI
Sanu in Cinc
Woods in Buf was within 50 yards this season with more tds
Denver... no names needed
Gabriel from Cle(i dont even know who that is) was within 100 yards with more tds
Evans from TB
Floyd from ARI
Royal, Allen, Floyd, from SD.. Bowe would have been a WR4 on that team
Wayne in IND
Williams from DAL within 150 yards and 8 more tds
Landry from MIA
Matthews from PHI (he's their #3) more yards and tds

Thats just going down the list in alphabetical order. But there are only 4-5 teams in the entire NFL who have a WR2 producing less than Bowe.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by jonzie04

Bowe has produced WR 2 numbers as a #1 the past 3 years. he's gone over 800 yards ONCE in the past 3 years.

Surely this has nothing to do with the fact the last two seasons he's reached career lows in terms of targets.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

At least he's dealing in reality. This vaunted majority you cite here, which is just a reeruned vocal minority stuck in narratives of the past, spends their time beating their meat to dreams of everything on the entire team being different, from ownership to management to coaching, but above all at quarterback.

You can't even discuss improving the line and receivers because of their naked speculation that either 'Alex needs the best line and receivers EVER ASSEMBLED to succeed' or 'we could have the best line and receivers ever and Alex would squander it all.'

Alex is STAYING, Reid is STAYING. Dorsey is STAYING. Clark is STAYING. Changes are coming at receiver and on the line. You can choose to pout about these things, or to insist that they doom the organization, . . . or you can accept reality.

No one has said that Smith, Reid, Dorsey, or Hunt are going. That's as dipshitted a strawman as you'll ever see.

No is saying the Chiefs are set at WR or OL. In fact, everyone acknowledges that the guard and tackle play on this team was horrendous and that the WRs leave something to be desired, but if you actually look at a lot of other teams, the Chiefs are no worse than middle of the pack in skill position players. Charles is a top three back, Kelce is a top 10 TE, DAT is the false bill of goods McCluster was supposed to be and a Pro Bowl specialist in year one, and Dwayne Bowe is, at worst, a top level WR #2. And for Bowe supposedly needing so many boots in the ass he sure seemed to do fine his first two years here.

It's also not naked speculation to suggest that Smith needs better and likely won't succeed even with better. He had a defense with two prime HOFers , three additional Pro Bowlers (including record setting performances by age from a pass rusher), the best OL in football, the most athletically gifted TE in the history of football, a top 5-7 back, and he couldn't beat a 9-7 Giants team at home that scored 17 points in regulation.

You can't horde talent on teams like the 80s and you can't hide your quarterback. So yeah, people are going to want something different at quarterback because...gasp... you need something better at QB to win in the NFL.

Marty Schottenheimer's career is not aspirational.

[ODESSABRONC]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Matt Cassel doesn't have 1/2 the athletic ability of Alex Smith.

That's not the point. The point is they are both journeymen quarterbacks the kind team generally use as a stop gap until they find one that is better.