Chiefs Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs - Page 31

cmh6476 · 12-30-2014, 11:06 AM

stat-wise and Because we are the Chiefs and DKTM

Trent Green 2002 (32 years old)
287/470 - 61.1% 3,690 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs

Alex Smith 2014 (30 years old)
303/464 - 65.3% 3,265 yards 18 TDs 6 INTs

Well sans the TDs but Green only had 17 in 2001 and Smith had 23 in 2013.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-31-2014, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Der Flöprer

Honestly, I'm super relaxed about all of this because I've come to the conclusion that my generation was spoiled growing up in the Golden age of quarterbacks. There just aren't as mane elite QB'S as there was when I grew up during the 80's-90's. You get the best one you can and go for it. I can't remember outside of Geno the last time I was super hot on a college QB coming out in the draft. I'm not this year either...

I mean there's guys I like every year, but lately not many that make my eyes pop out of my head.

This is a very wise post.

Even with the NFL's relaxed passing rules, which should have ushered in another 1983 type draft every few years, it just hasn't happened.

While we've seen no shortage of Tony Gonzalez-style TE's, the 10-15 year Franchise QB remains elusive for the overwhelming majority of NFL teams.

I don't see that trend changing.

dls6501 · 12-31-2014, 11:45 AM

I cant believe with this and the other thread, I am reading the slander about Andrew Luck in an attempt to prop up Alex (yes Hootie, I am aware you wouldnt take Alex over Luck). But the point that Luck had an awful year is just a joke.

Luck has a terrible offensive line, one of if not the worst rushing offense in the NFL, and a terrible defense. The Colts literally ARE Andrew Luck.

The entire success of that franchise is predicated on Luck being able to carry them....can the same be said about Alex Smith?

If Andrew Luck doesnt play well, the Colts lose....can the same be said about Alex Smith?

If the Colts defense gives up 24 points, Andrew Luck still gives them a chance to win.....can the same be said about Alex Smith?

Andrew Luck is asked to do sooooo much more than Alex is, its comical. Alex is not asked to do more by Reid (and he wasn't by Harbaugh). Why? Because chances are, he would revert back to pre-Harbaugh days where he was one of the worst QBs in the NFL. The Chiefs passing offense is a low powered, dink and dunk offense, because it runs in a way which Alex can be successful (which I firmly believe most NFL quarterbacks could replicate). Luck runs a high powered passing offense, because he is capable of leading one.

There is absolutely no comparison between Alex and Luck. Zero.

Hootie · 12-31-2014, 11:54 AM

I read fifty Andrew Luck excuses there, go figure. He took over a team Peyton Manning had competing at a Super Bowl level every year. He's got plenty of talent around him.

Hammock Parties · 12-31-2014, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I read fifty Andrew Luck excuses.

No one needs to make excuses for a QB who wins, and wins playoff games.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-31-2014, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This is a very wise post.

Even with the NFL's relaxed passing rules, which should have ushered in another 1983 type draft every few years, it just hasn't happened.

While we've seen no shortage of Tony Gonzalez-style TE's, the 10-15 year Franchise QB remains elusive for the overwhelming majority of NFL teams.

I don't see that trend changing.

Thank you! That was my logic on it, and you worded it perfectly. With the rules changes there should absolutely be more guys putting up BIGGER numbers. Peyton is. Brees has. A few others. But not enough and not big enough. Can you imagine how many yards Marino would throw for today?

Hootie · 12-31-2014, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses

No one needs to make excuses for a QB who wins, and wins playoff games.

Well he's favored, at home, against Cincy. What will the excuse be for losing that one?

Hammock Parties · 12-31-2014, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Well he's favored, at home, against Cincy. What will the excuse be for losing that one?

He will rape.

Luck will be in the AFCC and at the very least give Brady or Manning a game.

dls6501 · 12-31-2014, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I read fifty Andrew Luck excuses there, go figure. He took over a team Peyton Manning had competing at a Super Bowl level every year. He's got plenty of talent around him.

And what happened the one year that the Colts didnt have Peyton or Luck? Remember that season?

And I would love for you to show me what the "fifty excuses" are excusing exactly. Because the last time I checked, the Colts have been division champs 2 out of the 3 years Luck has been there....and been to the playoffs every year.....all in spite of the "excuses" you claim I wrote.

Reerun_KC · 12-31-2014, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Well he's favored, at home, against Cincy. What will the excuse be for losing that one?

He didn't play Reid and the chuefs?

Hootie · 12-31-2014, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dls6501

And what happened the one year that the Colts didnt have Peyton or Luck? Remember that season?

And I would love for you to show me what the "fifty excuses" are excusing exactly. Because the last time I checked, the Colts have been division champs 2 out of the 3 years Luck has been there....and been to the playoffs every year.....all in spite of the "excuses" you claim I wrote.

Tennessee, Jacksonville, Houston

Boy, I certainly hope he's winning that division

Hootie · 12-31-2014, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses

He will rape.

Luck will be in the AFCC and at the very least give Brady or Manning a game.

Doubt it

Hammock Parties · 12-31-2014, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Doubt it

A few months ago you "doubted" that the Chiefs would miss the playoffs.

Brock · 12-31-2014, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I read fifty Andrew Luck excuses there, go figure. He took over a team Peyton Manning had competing at a Super Bowl level every year. He's got plenty of talent around him.

But I thought you said the colts sucked without manning. After all, they went 2-14 without him. What do you think their record would be without luck?

Hootie · 12-31-2014, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses

A few months ago you "doubted" that the Chiefs would miss the playoffs.

At 7-3? Ok, and?

I can't predict the future but the Colts are the 2nd worst playoff team IMO

It won't be Luck's fault they lose but Luck is also nowhere near elite yet.

He will be I think, but he's not particularly close yet. Big name, probably in the 8-12 range

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 12-31-2014, 12:59 PM

Luck has been hot garbage for a month now.

12-30-2014, 11:06 AM
cmh6476 Keep Camp Home! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: St Joe MO Casino cash: $-853723	Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs stat-wise and Because we are the Chiefs and DKTM Trent Green 2002 (32 years old) 287/470 - 61.1% 3,690 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs Alex Smith 2014 (30 years old) 303/464 - 65.3% 3,265 yards 18 TDs 6 INTs Well sans the TDs but Green only had 17 in 2001 and Smith had 23 in 2013.
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dls6501 Veteran Join Date: Jan 2014 Casino cash: $9940375	I cant believe with this and the other thread, I am reading the slander about Andrew Luck in an attempt to prop up Alex (yes Hootie, I am aware you wouldnt take Alex over Luck). But the point that Luck had an awful year is just a joke. Luck has a terrible offensive line, one of if not the worst rushing offense in the NFL, and a terrible defense. The Colts literally ARE Andrew Luck. The entire success of that franchise is predicated on Luck being able to carry them....can the same be said about Alex Smith? If Andrew Luck doesnt play well, the Colts lose....can the same be said about Alex Smith? If the Colts defense gives up 24 points, Andrew Luck still gives them a chance to win.....can the same be said about Alex Smith? Andrew Luck is asked to do sooooo much more than Alex is, its comical. Alex is not asked to do more by Reid (and he wasn't by Harbaugh). Why? Because chances are, he would revert back to pre-Harbaugh days where he was one of the worst QBs in the NFL. The Chiefs passing offense is a low powered, dink and dunk offense, because it runs in a way which Alex can be successful (which I firmly believe most NFL quarterbacks could replicate). Luck runs a high powered passing offense, because he is capable of leading one. There is absolutely no comparison between Alex and Luck. Zero.
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I read fifty Andrew Luck excuses there, go figure. He took over a team Peyton Manning had competing at a Super Bowl level every year. He's got plenty of talent around him.
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