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Old 01-20-2015, 10:38 PM  
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Pats Cheating Comfirmed
According to the report, the league sources say the NFL determined 11 of the 12 footballs used by the Patriots were under-inflated by two pounds per square inch each. Per NFL rules, footballs are required to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI and weigh between 14 and 15 ounces.

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Old 01-21-2015, 05:59 PM   #436
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The coaches, players and administration isn't upset because it happens all the time, according to Matt Leinart.
I truly believe this is much ado about nothing
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Old 01-21-2015, 06:00 PM   #437
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When a HC gets caught cheating and 8 years later that SAME HC potentially has cheated again that is called a pattern of cheating.

You really can't figure that out?

Even as a dumbshit Patriots fan this shouldn't be that hard for you to figure out.
Caught? BB admitted he taped signals in 2000. The league didn't clarify the regulation until what 2006? BB did it openly after.

Mangini regrets reporting on the Pats for this, believe it or not. Perhaps, this is why he is no longer trusted in coaching circles. Mangini doesn't think their SB wins are even tainted as he knows from working there what went into them. He said he was just trying to get his own advantage over the Pats when he reported them.

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Old 01-21-2015, 06:00 PM   #438
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The coaches, players and administration isn't upset because it happens all the time, according to Matt Leinart.
Again, manipulating the texture of the ball is not new, and is legal in the NFL.

Deflating is not.

It's really that simple.

The NFL, 10 years ago, basically said, "Hey we know QB's have a preference. Well let them break the ball in, use it during practice, and manipulate the texture, but that's as far as it goes. Anything beyond that is Illegal".

The Patriots went beyond that.
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Old 01-21-2015, 06:00 PM   #439
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Problem is that the quarterbacks hated it. New balls are slick and the grip is terrible. And that means less offense, which means it won't happen most likely.
True dat. Maybe dump them in a washing machine or something.
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Old 01-21-2015, 06:01 PM   #440
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Better idea… the Patriots should be forced to go through an entire NFL calendar year with the version of the "Patriots Way" they tried to export to KC.

Fat Scott as GM
Romeo as HC
Casshole as starting QB
That was all done to get an edge.
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I truly believe this is much ado about nothing
Probably. But the rule was still broken, therefore it's an issue.

Best resolution is to let them manipulate the pressure as well, since they can already manipulate the texture.
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Old 01-21-2015, 06:03 PM   #442
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Except that one method is allowed, the other is not. One method alters the weight of the ball, the other does not. One team got the advantage of deflating, the other did not.

So no, it's not the same difference.
What? Air cannot alter the weight of a ball.

Psi isn't weight.
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Old 01-21-2015, 06:04 PM   #443
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What? Air cannot alter the weight of a ball.

Psi isn't weight.
According to NFL rule makers, it does. You can argue with them, not me.

Hence the reason it's Illegal, despite the fact that they loosened up on other restrictions concerning the ball.

This is all via a Bill Polian interview, who was part of the committee that enacted these rules.
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Old 01-21-2015, 06:07 PM   #444
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Old 01-21-2015, 06:09 PM   #445
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What? Air cannot alter the weight of a ball.

Psi isn't weight.
Yeah, I keep seeing weight brought up and I don't understand why. Maybe it's one of those law things that only Donger and Magichef understands.
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Yeah, I keep seeing weight brought up and I don't understand why. Maybe it's one of those law things that only Donger and Magichef understands.
My assumption is that someone reported psi (pounds per square inch) as just "pounds", which is not uncommon, and someone else misunderstood, took pounds to mean weight, and ended up reporting that the refs weighed the balls.

The weight of the ball would change slightly as it was inflated to a higher pressure, but I'd think the change would be so small that you wouldn't be able to detect it by weighing the ball.
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My assumption is that someone reported psi (pounds per square inch) as just "pounds", which is not uncommon, and someone else misunderstood, took pounds to mean weight, and ended up reporting that the refs weighed the balls.

The weight of the ball would change slightly as it was inflated to a higher pressure, but I'd think the change would be so small that you wouldn't be able to detect it by weighing the ball.
I've seen it mentioned in several different articles, and there's this from the link Dane posted a little while ago:

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And, if this is in essence quarterbacks doing what quarterbacks do, then is there an accepted norm about what is considered normal behavior and what is going too far? Is it the 2psi -- upwards of 20 percent of possible ball weight -- that would strike those within the game, and this particular subculture, as bizarre?
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I hate agreeing with Dane. But for once hes right. Not only is there no evidence that the Pats did anything wrong, its such a non-issue in the outcome of the game its funny to see how many people are freaking.

If it wasnt the Pats it wouldnt have even made local news.
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