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Old 04-24-2015, 11:28 AM   #1
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daniel jeremiah says there are 14-17 wow players in this draft if you include the 2 top runningbacks.

of course the Chiefs have the #18th pick with 17 max wow players in the draft
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Old 04-24-2015, 11:30 AM   #2
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daniel jeremiah says there are 14-17 wow players in this draft if you include the 2 top runningbacks.

of course the Chiefs have the #18th pick with 17 max wow players in the draft
some team will be stupid and draft offensive linemen before us. sorry, unless it's joe thomas, orlando pace, jon ogden or walter jones, an offensive lineman isn't 'wow' in any way, shape, or form.
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Old 04-27-2015, 09:48 AM   #3
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some team will be stupid and draft offensive linemen before us. sorry, unless it's joe thomas, orlando pace, jon ogden or walter jones, an offensive lineman isn't 'wow' in any way, shape, or form.

"Wow" excites fans, but doesn't necessarily win championships. Good bookend tackles are pretty important in the modern NFL.
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Old 04-28-2015, 10:18 AM   #4
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"Wow" excites fans, but doesn't necessarily win championships. Good bookend tackles are pretty important in the modern NFL.
and you can get a good bookend for your tackle set in the rounds after round one. aka, 'wow' me by getting an impact player in the first round. it's so hard to understand sometimes as a chiefs fan, though, because we don't do that shit generally.
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Old 04-28-2015, 10:21 AM   #5
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and you can get a good bookend for your tackle set in the rounds after round one. aka, 'wow' me by getting an impact player in the first round. it's so hard to understand sometimes as a chiefs fan, though, because we don't do that shit generally.
This. Offensive explosion wins games. Franchise QB's win games.

You can stop them for an individual game but you can't contain them for a whole season. There's a reason the Packers/Pats/Denver keep making the playoffs...
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Old 04-28-2015, 11:29 AM   #6
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Franchise QB's win games.
I'm not singling you out but I am just so tired of this bullshit.

There are maybe four "Franchise QB's" in the NFL: Rodgers, Manning, Brady and Luck. That's it. And Manning & Brady have been in the league for 12+ years.

To win a Super Bowl, a team has to be comprised of good players that play well within their system.

Effective, structured, disciplined, minimal-mistake football. "Franchise QB" is a myth created by the NFL Front Office to lure fans into thinking their team needs one to succeed, thus hyping the draft, thus more ad revenues, thus more money in the NFL coffers.
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Old 04-28-2015, 11:39 AM   #7
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I'm not singling you out but I am just so tired of this bullshit.

There are maybe four "Franchise QB's" in the NFL: Rodgers, Manning, Brady and Luck. That's it. And Manning & Brady have been in the league for 12+ years.
There are probably 10 franchise QB's out there.

There are franchise guys (solid performers for 6-10 years) and then there are the elite guys.

You don't have to have an elite guy but you do need stability at the position. Rivers would be a lower end Elite or high end franchise guy. Brees, Eli, Big Ben, Ryan, Stafford, etc. All franchise guys who provide stability and competency at the position for years.

You don't need Brady. You also can't shuffle in and out back ups and cast offs every 2 to 3 years like the Chiefs/Raiders/Bengals/Cards have done for 20 years or more...
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Old 04-28-2015, 03:14 PM   #8
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I'm not singling you out but I am just so tired of this bullshit.

There are maybe four "Franchise QB's" in the NFL: Rodgers, Manning, Brady and Luck. That's it. And Manning & Brady have been in the league for 12+ years.

To win a Super Bowl, a team has to be comprised of good players that play well within their system.

Effective, structured, disciplined, minimal-mistake football. "Franchise QB" is a myth created by the NFL Front Office to lure fans into thinking their team needs one to succeed, thus hyping the draft, thus more ad revenues, thus more money in the NFL coffers.
To consistently compete, year in and year out for a decade or more, you need a QB.
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Old 04-28-2015, 11:26 AM   #9
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and you can get a good bookend for your tackle set in the rounds after round one. aka, 'wow' me by getting an impact player in the first round. it's so hard to understand sometimes as a chiefs fan, though, because we don't do that shit generally.
That's really untrue.

Larry Johnson, Tamba Hali, Dwayne Bowe, Eric Berry, Dontarie Poe and even Dee Ford and Jonathan Baldwin were "wow" players.

Baldwin was a bust, so there's that but the Chiefs have a pretty good history, outside of the Pioli era, of getting good value and impact players in the first round.

The only "unwow" players of recent vintage were Fisher and Jackson. Glenn Dorsey was a "wow" player, too, even though he was a bust. Some thought he would be the best player in the draft, which just goes to show that nobody knows nuttin'.
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That's really untrue.

Larry Johnson, Tamba Hali, Dwayne Bowe, Eric Berry, Dontarie Poe and even Dee Ford and Jonathan Baldwin were "wow" players.

Baldwin was a bust, so there's that but the Chiefs have a pretty good history, outside of the Pioli era, of getting good value and impact players in the first round.
Poe was considered a reach by many and a boom or bust player. NT's aren't "wow" players.

Berry was definitely that guy.

Dee Ford, Baldwin, and Hali were considered reaches by many. Baldwin by most.

The prospect that Berry was is in a whole different tier of player than any of the rest. Many thought Berry had HOF potential.

I think our 1st rounds the last 10 years or so have been a mixed bag but not horrible or worse that most. Definitely not as bad as our run of DL busts...
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Poe was considered a reach by many and a boom or bust player. NT's aren't "wow" players.

Berry was definitely that guy.

Dee Ford, Baldwin, and Hali were considered reaches by many. Baldwin by most.

The prospect that Berry was is in a whole different tier of player than any of the rest. Many thought Berry had HOF potential.

I think our 1st rounds the last 10 years or so have been a mixed bag but not horrible or worse that most. Definitely not as bad as our run of DL busts...
Reaches by morons.

They were all good to great choices.
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Old 04-24-2015, 11:56 AM   #12
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daniel jeremiah says there are 14-17 wow players in this draft if you include the 2 top runningbacks.

of course the Chiefs have the #18th pick with 17 max wow players in the draft
Yea but he's including Winston and Mariota both of which will be busts.
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Old 04-24-2015, 11:59 AM   #13
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Yea but he's including Winston and Mariota both of which will be busts.
Well that pretty much seals both to be pro bowlers.


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If your GM feels that there are only 10-12 impact players in the draft, shouldn't he be trying to move up and grab one rather than move back and get a guy he doesn't believe is an impact player?
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If your GM feels that there are only 10-12 impact players in the draft, shouldn't he be trying to move up and grab one rather than move back and get a guy he doesn't believe is an impact player?
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