Alex Fodder

[Meatloaf]

Saw this on CBS Sports. Some unsurprising charts included....

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...ore-frequently

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Still waiting. If this can not be sufficiently replied to with names, then it means that your entire stance on "excuses" eats the butt. The only replies in the past were of elite QBs like Brady or Rodgers... and whether legit or not, no one ever claims that Smith is on the level of those guys.



Most of the same people criticizing Smith for his gun-shy, average play have also stated at different times that the OL and WRs are not good. Even that the playcalling sucks. So if the OL and WRs are not good, what the hell do you really expect this QB to do?



It's simply irrational thinking.. and seems to be only for CP.

Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady have played behind some shitstain offensive lines at times. A Rod has some great weapons but I think a good 75% of their success could reasonably be attributed to his awesomeness alone. Brady's receiving corps when Gronk is out (which is often) is less than stellar.

Russell Wilson at times.

I'm of the opinion that the Broncos offensive lines haven't been very good the past couple seasons. They were missing an All-Pro LT in 2013 and constantly changing up the lineup during 2014. Peyton is just a timing fanatic that makes bad lines look great.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

If you use win % as a qb qualifier, I'm automatically dismissing you.

Wins obviously matter, but using that as a qb stat just doesn't hold up.

win loss % absolutely is a QB stat. It's weighted by the strength of the surrounding team, but there's a reason stat sites list win loss records as a QB stat and not for other positions.

A quarterbacks decisions directly effect the way a game plays out.

I'm gonna try to find a stat on win% of quarterbacks in games they don't throw any picks, to quarterbacks that throw 1, then 2, etc.

I bet (without looking) that if a QB throws no interceptions in a game, his win % is close to 70% and it lessens significantly with each turnover.

I bet those same numbers don't correlate to number of deep throws a QB makes, but I'm not sure how I'd crunch those numbers.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

It's an excuse. Plain and simple.

His OL in San Francisco was awesome his last two years there. His first OL with the Chiefs was a solid unit and played better than that in the second half.

He has had consistently strong running games throughout those periods, which for MOST QBs means you have a lot of play-action opportunities down the field - or at least take PA shots to make teams worry about giving up the long bomb if they suck up too much on run plays.

As for throwing deep more often... I will buy that 2014 was an outlier, but it's not like it hasn't been an issue throughout his recent, team-driven success. It has. Throwing deep 2.5 times a game is still not enough.

And yeah, he hit Avery deep a few times towards the end of 2013, but he has left a lot more of those throws on the field over the past two years than he has made.

That's why the coaches are constantly talking about getting him to let it rip.

You call people pointing to the OL as "an excuse" while ignoring how it CLEARLY effected his amount of throws over 21 yards in the air last year.

And I'm sorry, but when AJ Jenkins is one of your STARTING receivers, your receivers are unquestionable crap. It's not even debatable.

[O.city]

A qb can win a game throwing for 60 yards and 1 td and no picks and lose one where he puts up numbers like Smith did in Indy in the playoff game.

It's not an indicative stat to qb play.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by BossChief

win loss % absolutely is a QB stat. It's weighted by the strength of the surrounding team, but there's a reason stat sites list win loss records as a QB stat and not for other positions.



A quarterbacks decisions directly effect the way a game plays out.



I'm gonna try to find a stat on win% of quarterbacks in games they don't throw any picks, to quarterbacks that throw 1, then 2, etc.



I bet (without looking) that if a QB throws no interceptions in a game, his win % is close to 70% and it lessens significantly with each turnover.



I bet those same numbers don't correlate to number of deep throws a QB makes, but I'm not sure how I'd crunch those numbers.







You call people pointing to the OL as "an excuse" while ignoring how it CLEARLY effected his amount of throws over 21 yards in the air last year.



And I'm sorry, but when AJ Jenkins is one of your STARTING receivers, your receivers are unquestionable crap. It's not even debatable.

I'm not limiting the criticism to 2014, which I will admit is an outlier. I'm talking about the 2011-14 seasons, as a whole. He doesn't push the ball to deep and intermediate areas enough over the course of that time span. 2014 is just the low point.

[Chromatic]

This is Smith's last chance year for me. I've bitten my tongue and rolled my eyes at 3 yard dump offs on 3rd & long for 2 years now.

Even if he finds his balls and turns into a turnover machine at least I would respect that, because it shows that he's at least trying to get downfield and would give us the sign that it's time to move on. Then maybe Sandy and whoever else joined in Feb 2013 would go bother the Cleveland Browns message boards or something. No offense, they seem like nice enough dudes, but it's beyond me why anyone would follow a mediocre Quarterback to another teams message board.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

His OL in San Francisco was awesome his last two years there. His first OL with the Chiefs was a solid unit

Your and idiot if you really believe this. That SF line was not a good PASS PRO group. They were good at run blocking.. that much is accurate.

... and the KC line in the first half of 2013 was shit too.. easily bottom 10.


Cry all you want.. you obviously do so on a day to day basis.. if for no other reason to garner attention. Smith isn't going anywhere for a while.

[BossChief]

Reid will trade Alex after the

[Rivermike87]

People on here seem to believe that smith needs to throw 20+ bombs every possession to even be considered a quarterback, when in fact he plays the position efficiently by what is given to him by the defense. Yes, throwing downfield is flashy and what not, but if it's not a for sure matchup win by the receiver, smith will not force the throw. And let's say he does force the throws and it gets picked, all of you would be quick to feather and tar Alex real quick, so in defense of Alex it's a catch 22

Take it from me, I've followed Alex since he was drafted from the 49ers and watched pretty much all of his games and this idea most on here seem to think of as truth is false: that Alex doesn't throw the deep ball. I've seen him throw a 50 yarder down the field to a receiver equivalent to Wilson during a torrential rainstorm Thursday night against the Seahawks in Seattle. Or when the game is on the line against the saints in that divisional playoff game to Vernon Davis. Most recently to Donnie Avery. My point is, yeah he doesn't take enough chances as we like, but the guy can throw and win you games when the game is on the line. How many qbs have the Chiefs had in recent memory can you trust and win you games? Alex is smart he won't take the gamble if the risk is not worth the reward. And can you honestly blame hi 100% last year for the offensive woes this team faced? But the future is bright with this team and honestly it reminds me of the 49ers team going into the 2011 season. And guess how far they made it that year, a fumble away from playing in the super bowl.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Chromatic

This is Smith's last chance year for me. I've bitten my tongue and rolled my eyes at 3 yard dump offs on 3rd & long for 2 years now.

Even if he finds his balls and turns into a turnover machine at least I would respect that, because it shows that he's at least trying to get downfield and would give us the sign that it's time to move on. Then maybe Sandy and whoever else joined in Feb 2013 would go bother the Cleveland Browns message boards or something. No offense, they seem like nice enough dudes, but it's beyond me why anyone would follow a mediocre Quarterback to another teams message board.

I can't puzzle out why they follow this guy so religiously, to the point of switching team allegiance because of him.

Only thing I can come up with is desperation to be right about and unwillingness to surrender until they are.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Rivermike87

People on here seem to believe that smith needs to throw 20+ bombs every possession to even be considered a quarterback, when in fact he plays the position efficiently by what is given to him by the defense. Yes, throwing downfield is flashy and what not, but if it's not a for sure matchup win by the receiver, smith will not force the throw. And let's say he does force the throws and it gets picked, all of you would be quick to feather and tar Alex real quick, so in defense of Alex it's a catch 22

Take it from me, I've followed Alex since he was drafted from the 49ers and watched pretty much all of his games and this idea most on here seem to think of as truth is false: that Alex doesn't throw the deep ball. I've seen him throw a 50 yarder down the field to a receiver equivalent to Wilson during a torrential rainstorm Thursday night against the Seahawks in Seattle. Or when the game is on the line against the saints in that divisional playoff game to Vernon Davis. Most recently to Donnie Avery. My point is, yeah he doesn't take enough chances as we like, but the guy can throw and win you games when the game is on the line. How many qbs have the Chiefs had in recent memory can you trust and win you games? Alex is smart he won't take the gamble if the risk is not worth the reward. And can you honestly blame hi 100% last year for the offensive woes this team faced? But the future is bright with this team and honestly it reminds me of the 49ers team going into the 2011 season. And guess how far they made it that year, a fumble away from playing in the super bowl.

Can he do that? What you're describing here overall is an excellent example of a game manager. Someone who won't **** things up for you but also isn't going to try to go make big plays unless they're unbelievably wide open or the game is absolutely on the line.

That's not enough to make big-time moves in the postseason unless you have an elite defense, in consideration for all-time levels of greatness, and a great running game to support it.

Maybe the Chiefs have it. But they're paying Alex Smith like he's more than a game manager. For him to be worthy of that, he needs to play like more of a game manager and push the ball downfield more often.

I'm hopeful that adding Jeremy Maclin and improving the OL will Alex-proof things. Time will tell.

As for people ripping him for throwing picks, that's not the case. Many of the most skeptical Alex doubters praised his willingness to take more chances with throws in the second half of 2013 when - surprise - the offense performed much better. Myself included.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I can't puzzle out why they follow this guy so religiously, to the point of switching team allegiance because of him.

Only thing I can come up with is desperation to be right about and unwillingness to surrender until they are.

I have explained this over a dozen times, so I'm done with that. Apparently, people at CP have comprehension issues.

Short answer is, it makes NO difference who has the opinion or why. If you can not debate the actual opinion without trying to turn it into something personal, you fail to be an intelligent person in the discussion.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Many of the most skeptical Alex doubters praised his willingness to take more chances with throws in the second half of 2013 when - surprise - the offensive line performed much better. Myself included.

FYP

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Reid will trade Alex after the

Finish your thought. LOL

[KCTitus]

Alex throws some of the best 2 yard passes on 3rd and long Ive ever seen. Crisp tight spiral to the fullback who is tackled for a 4yard gain. Its probably the most exciting part of the game.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Honestly, who cares how far the ball travels. If he throws a seven yard pass and the wr or whoever runs for another 20 do I actually care if the ball went 27 yards in the air? I do not. As long as Alex can improve on getting KC more TD's who cares about his worthless yards per completion.

TD's matter, stats do not.

The opposing defense does...