Alex Fodder

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

I am still waiting for people to list some QBs that have excelled while having bottom 5-10 WR and OL groups. Has anyone ever done so? If so... let's see them. If not? then why not? because they do not exist? Be honest.

Still waiting. If this can not be sufficiently replied to with names, then it means that your entire stance on "excuses" eats the butt. The only replies in the past were of elite QBs like Brady or Rodgers... and whether legit or not, no one ever claims that Smith is on the level of those guys.

Most of the same people criticizing Smith for his gun-shy, average play have also stated at different times that the OL and WRs are not good. Even that the playcalling sucks. So if the OL and WRs are not good, what the hell do you really expect this QB to do?

It's simply irrational thinking.. and seems to be only for CP.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Still waiting. If this can not be sufficiently replied to with names, then it means that your entire stance on "excuses" eats the butt. The only replies in the past were of elite QBs like Brady or Rodgers... and whether legit or not, no one ever claims that Smith is on the level of those guys.



Most of the same people criticizing Smith for his gun-shy, average play have also stated at different times that the OL and WRs are not good. Even that the playcalling sucks. So if the OL and WRs are not good, what the hell do you really expect this QB to do?



It's simply irrational thinking.. and seems to be only for CP.

Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady have played behind some shitstain offensive lines at times. A Rod has some great weapons but I think a good 75% of their success could reasonably be attributed to his awesomeness alone. Brady's receiving corps when Gronk is out (which is often) is less than stellar.

Russell Wilson at times.

I'm of the opinion that the Broncos offensive lines haven't been very good the past couple seasons. They were missing an All-Pro LT in 2013 and constantly changing up the lineup during 2014. Peyton is just a timing fanatic that makes bad lines look great.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady have played behind some shitstain offensive lines at times. A Rod has some great weapons but I think a good 75% of their success could reasonably be attributed to his awesomeness alone. Brady's receiving corps when Gronk is out (which is often) is less than stellar.

Russell Wilson at times.

I'm of the opinion that the Broncos offensive lines haven't been very good the past couple seasons. They were missing an All-Pro LT in 2013 and constantly changing up the lineup during 2014. Peyton is just a timing fanatic that makes bad lines look great.

again, looking for QBs that are not regarded as elite.. naming a few elite QBs does not really strength your case or weaken mine here... whether even those elite QBs meet the requirements of the argument of having crap OLs and deep weapons.

As for Wilson, his OL hasn't been particularly good, but it also hasn't been bottom 5 as has Smith's. He also has rare evasiveness, which can allow him to make more broken play bombs.


Name non-elite QBs with trash OLs and deep weapons that have found relatively consistent success.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

again, looking for QBs that are not regarded as elite.. naming a few elite QBs does not really strength your case or weaken mine here... whether even those elite QBs meet the requirements of the argument of having crap OLs and deep weapons.



As for Wilson, his OL hasn't been particularly good, but it also hasn't been bottom 5 as has Smith's. He also has rare evasiveness, which can allow him to make more broken play bombs.





Name non-elite QBs with trash OLs and deep weapons that have found relatively consistent success.

Wilson fits the criteria.

Philip Rivers has played behind some booty offensive lines and, outside of Vincent Jackson, hasn't had a great stable of receivers.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Wilson fits the criteria.

Philip Rivers has played behind some booty offensive lines and, outside of Vincent Jackson, hasn't had a great stable of receivers.

Wilson's overall stats are in the same ballpark as Smith's. Similar yardage, TDs, INTs, rating... the comparison on their YIA (yards in air) is 1,390 vs 1,603..

Rivers definitely did have a suck ass OL, and played well last year. Most lately would put Rivers just at the bottom of that elite group// or at the top of the tier two group. He has really stepped up in the last couple of years. Keenan Allen, Floyd, and Gates are not in the bottom tier group of pass weapons though.

Still looking for QBs that have excelled with bottom OLs and pass weapons.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Wilson's overall stats are in the same ballpark as Smith's. Similar yardage, TDs, INTs, rating... the comparison on their YIA (yards in air) is 1,390 vs 1,603..

Rivers definitely did have a suck ass OL, and played well last year. Most lately would put Rivers just at the bottom of that elite group// or at the top of the tier two group. He has really stepped up in the last couple of years. Keenan Allen, Floyd, and Gates are not in the bottom tier group of pass weapons though.

Still looking for QBs that have excelled with bottom OLs and pass weapons.

You'll never get an answer that satisfies the criteria in your head...

Allen and Floyd are not great receiving weapons. They've got potential, but how much of their production can you attribute to Philip Rivers being a baller? A shoddy offensive line, a nonexistent running game and a couple average-at-best perimeter weapons.

Andrew Luck has played with some horrible surrounding talent. At times his offensive line has been bad, their running game is atrocious, and he's basically had a 54 year old Reggie Wayne and an ascending TY Hilton on the perimeter.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

You'll never get an answer that satisfies the criteria in your head...

doesn't sound that way, no. Even if to accept the few elites, Rivers being a top 7 QB, and Wilson... the list still is short. Just don't seem to be many non-elite QBs that excel with both bottom tier WRs and OLs. So why should Alex be expected to? Only now can we say that Smith is being paid top dollar vs the cap.. and only now can we say the pass options are above bottom tier.

That still leave the OL tier to be determined.

Now, I'd say he does have enough promising pass weapons for a better year.. but OL? impossible to say. I am guessing the OL does crawl out from bottom 10. So if they do and Smith still plays too much small ball that is ineffective? yes, I too will be disappointed.. and will share in the QB frustration.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Allen and Floyd are not great receiving weapons.

The words we use are important. No, I am not calling Rivers' pass weapons great.. and interesting that you left Gates out of the equation... but again, we are talking about bottom tier... not good... not "great." His pass options are at least better than bottom tier, imho.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Andrew Luck has played with some horrible surrounding talent. At times his offensive line has been bad, their running game is atrocious, and he's basically had a 54 year old Reggie Wayne and an ascending TY Hilton on the perimeter.

a 54 yr old Wayne was better than any WR that the Chiefs have fielded lately. I think most would agree that an old Wayne would have been a better pairing for Alex than Bowe.. though not by miles. Hilton is a larger asset in the pass game than all of the WR pass weapons that KC has had in the last 2 years. Even "pure" Chiefs fans stated that they would trade every single WR on their roster for one Hilton. Ether way... again, we are talking about Luck.. who most would label a QB God in the making.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Still waiting. If this can not be sufficiently replied to with names, then it means that your entire stance on "excuses" eats the butt. The only replies in the past were of elite QBs like Brady or Rodgers... and whether legit or not, no one ever claims that Smith is on the level of those guys.

Most of the same people criticizing Smith for his gun-shy, average play have also stated at different times that the OL and WRs are not good. Even that the playcalling sucks. So if the OL and WRs are not good, what the hell do you really expect this QB to do?

It's simply irrational thinking.. and seems to be only for CP.

You asked for any that did it then take two in this post and make an excuse why they don't count?

No wonder no one replied