WWII Deaths

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Since you didn't read Otters hypothetical, he asked what would've happened had the two allied. And that answer is simple: they'd have overrun Europe (including England) in a matter of weeks.

Europe, YES. But, well, actually, Germany did that all by itself, so that's not giving up much.

England is still going to be a huge problem. The fundamental problem the Germans had was that they couldn't dominate either the skies over England and the English channel, or create a safe environment for ships to transport troops to England, and then resupply them.

Would Russia/Germany together (assuming no US involvement) be able to get there eventually? Yes. Really no doubt.

"in a matter of weeks"? Absolutely not. WTF were they going to do? Row over there with no ****ing tanks, no local air superiority and no naval superiority? That ain't happening.

Your nuke rebuttal won't work because by the time America developed and tested it, we were already deep in 1944. All allied lands would've already been conquered and hence those forces would've been impossible to dislodge.

What "allied lands"? Allied territory in Europe? Yes.

If the US gets involved earlier, however, due to Russia/German designs on England (it's all a big hypothetical), then England never gets invaded. With US focusing assistance on England, Germany/Russia will take absolutely forever to get the necessary sea/air power to mount a serious offensive, and though that eventually could be done I think, the US/UK will develop nukes first.

Keep in mind you have a logistical problem here -- the Soviets are pretty freaking far away from England, have no navy worth the name, no heavy bombers, not really even good medium bombers, and their best forces, like the Germans, are their ground troops, which are going to have a real problem crossing that little patch of water between Frnace and England.

If you're arguing for raining nukes down on Berlin and Moscow, they'd retaliate instantly by liquidating allied civilian populations under their control.

Not really even worth answering. Nor would it necessarily matter. At this point it's literally a struggle for survival. If A-bombs are what are needed to bring the enemy to its knees, they are what will get used.

Besidess that, we were pounding the shit out of Germany long before we took back control of France. It's not necessarily a useful or effective war fighting technique to kill civilians. We would destroy their leadership and their capacity to fight (industrial centers, etc.). Murdering innocents in France or whatever isn't going to balance those scales.