Chiefs Two 1st round picks for Russell Wilson in '16 and '17 or '17 and '18 - Page 40

Discuss Thrower · 06-21-2015, 11:57 AM

Clayton on show seems to hint that SEA would be open to non-exclusive Tag for RW in 2016- seems surprising but SEA will study all avenues
— DAVIS HSU (@DavisHsuSeattle) June 20, 2015

Do you sign the offer sheet if the Seahawks non-exclusively tag Russell Wilson?

Pole cumming.

Amnorix · 06-23-2015, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

2007 Tom Brady won against San Diego in the postseason with a 19 QBR

So, see, this I don't get. QBR makes no sense sometimes.

Wilson's line against GB was 14/29, 209 yards, 1 TD, 4 picks. That gets him a 13.6 QBR. That is a ****ing AWFUL line. Not even 50% completions and 1 TD versus 4 picks. That's a "you ****ed your team with a rusty, spiked dildo of a line".

Brady's line against SD was 22 of 33 for 209 yards, 2 TDs and 3 picks. 18.9 QBR. That is a bad line. Not good. Not what we expect from elite QBs, but that is NOWHERE near as bad of a line as Wilson's, and yet the QBR difference is only 13.6 versus 18.9? 66% completion percentage, and yes, more picks than TDs, but 2/3 versus 1/4.

WTF?

RunKC · 06-23-2015, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

He brings stability to the qb spot, he's a franchise qb.

Don't tell Hootie that..he's his guy. He probably has his poster up in his bedroom.

Amnorix · 06-23-2015, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

but not much more than 19.6 that Brady had in 2007 with his 18-1 super team ... correct?

Yeah, see response I just posted. Those metrics are nice, but in this case, I'm shaking my head over such a small discrepancy when Brady's game sucked, but Wilson's game was EPIC SUCK.

Whatever, you have enough people debating you on this, and I'm largely on your side, so carry on.

Hootie · 06-23-2015, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

So, see, this I don't get. QBR makes no sense sometimes.

Wilson's line against GB was 14/29, 209 yards, 1 TD, 4 picks. That gets him a 13.6 QBR. That is a ****ing AWFUL line. Not even 50% completions and 1 TD versus 4 picks. That's a "you ****ed your team with a rusty, spiked dildo of a line".

Brady's line against SD was 22 of 33 for 209 yards, 2 TDs and 3 picks. 18.9 QBR. That is a bad line. Not good. Not what we expect from elite QBs, but that is NOWHERE near as bad of a line as Wilson's, and yet the QBR difference is only 13.6 versus 18.9? 66% completion percentage, and yes, more picks than TDs, but 2/3 versus 1/4.

WTF?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/68...terback-rating

(and Wilson rushed for a TD and QBR accounts for rushing as well)

Chiefnj2 · 06-23-2015, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

because you're a Raiders fan?

Because it is what the fans deserve, and settle for.

Hootie · 06-23-2015, 12:10 PM

and not only that, but Jermaine Kearse was responsible for two of those interceptions that bounced out of his hands ... which is another thing QBR accounts for

Let's put it this way ... like Win Shares and in the NBA and WAR in baseball ... QBR isn't perfect but it's BY FAR the best metric we have to determine the value of a QB.

Hammock Parties · 06-23-2015, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

But he's not in Aaron Rodgers class. No ****ing way.
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You won't find a lot of people who think that.

He's certainly quite a bit better than Alex Smith, though.

Hootie · 06-23-2015, 12:17 PM

Tom Brady, an amazing QB, has had a handful of TERRIBLE postseason games. So has Peyton Manning.

...it happens to EVERYONE

the 4 INT cherry pick in a game where he PROBABLY DISPLAYED THE MOST CLUTCH 4 MINUTES IN NFL HISTORY is hilariously pathetic

Hootie · 06-23-2015, 12:18 PM

I most certainly do think that Luck and Wilson are in Aaron Rodgers' class. Aaron Rodgers is amazing. But Aaron Rodgers is nowhere near Peyton and Tom.

I'm tired of Aaron getting passes in the postseason, too. Peyton doesn't get passes. Why does Aaron?

**Rausch** · 06-23-2015, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

I most certainly do think that Luck and Wilson are in Aaron Rodgers' class. Aaron Rodgers is amazing. But Aaron Rodgers is nowhere near Peyton and Tom.

I'm tired of Aaron getting passes in the postseason, too. Peyton doesn't get passes. Why does Aaron?

I'm not ready to crown Luck just yet.

He's got the most upside in the NFL but he was a turnover machine last year. He's still young, still improving, and that's not the best surrounding cast out there.

I'd trade two 1st's for him in a heart beat because of what he will be but I wouldn't say he's there quite yet...

Hammock Parties · 06-23-2015, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

He's got the most upside in the NFL but he was a turnover machine last year.

When you throw 616 passes you're gonna throw some picks.

His INT % was the same as Drew Brees and Peyton Manning.

Hootie · 06-23-2015, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I'm not ready to crown Luck just yet.

He's got the most upside in the NFL but he was a turnover machine last year. He's still young, still improving, and that's not the best surrounding cast out there.

I'd trade two 1st's for him in a heart beat because of what he will be but I wouldn't say he's there quite yet...

Pretty sure you could offer Irsay $100M + 10 1st round picks and he wouldn't do it for Luck.

But I agree. I haven't crowned him yet, either. I do know he'll be an elite QB for the next decade plus, though. Think it's hilarious he gets more credit for winning his dogshit division and winning a few playoff games then Russell gets for a Super Bowl + a runner up.

**Saul Good** · 06-23-2015, 12:51 PM

Wilson has had arguably the most successful first three years of an NFL career in history, yet more than half of this board doesn't think he's worth two first round picks because he isn't elite. He's won 42 games including 6 postseason games, a Superbowl, and 2 NFC Championships.

Meanwhile, its been 28 years since the Chiefs last won a game in which we started a QB that we drafted and 22 years since we won a playoff game.

SMDH

O.city · 06-23-2015, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Wilson has had arguably the most successful first three years of an NFL career in history, yet more than half of this board doesn't think he's worth two first round picks because he isn't elite. He's won 42 games including 6 postseason games, a Superbowl, and 2 NFC Championships.

Meanwhile, its been 28 years since the Chiefs last won a game in which we started a QB that we drafted and 22 years since we won a playoff game.

SMDH

Team stat propping up qb play. Do not pass go

**OnTheWarpath15** · 06-23-2015, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Wilson has had arguably the most successful first three years of an NFL career in history, yet more than half of this board doesn't think he's worth two first round picks because he isn't elite. He's won 42 games including 6 postseason games, a Superbowl, and 2 NFC Championships.

Meanwhile, its been 28 years since the Chiefs last won a game in which we started a QB that we drafted and 22 years since we won a playoff game.

SMDH

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Discuss Thrower "You like to drink?" Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: "I like to drink." Casino cash: $-300000	Two 1st round picks for Russell Wilson in '16 and '17 or '17 and '18 Clayton on show seems to hint that SEA would be open to non-exclusive Tag for RW in 2016- seems surprising but SEA will study all avenues — DAVIS HSU (@DavisHsuSeattle) June 20, 2015 Do you sign the offer sheet if the Seahawks non-exclusively tag Russell Wilson? Pole cumming.
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06-23-2015, 12:10 PM	#591
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	and not only that, but Jermaine Kearse was responsible for two of those interceptions that bounced out of his hands ... which is another thing QBR accounts for Let's put it this way ... like Win Shares and in the NBA and WAR in baseball ... QBR isn't perfect but it's BY FAR the best metric we have to determine the value of a QB.
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06-23-2015, 12:17 PM	#593
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Tom Brady, an amazing QB, has had a handful of TERRIBLE postseason games. So has Peyton Manning. ...it happens to EVERYONE the 4 INT cherry pick in a game where he PROBABLY DISPLAYED THE MOST CLUTCH 4 MINUTES IN NFL HISTORY is hilariously pathetic
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06-23-2015, 12:18 PM	#594
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I most certainly do think that Luck and Wilson are in Aaron Rodgers' class. Aaron Rodgers is amazing. But Aaron Rodgers is nowhere near Peyton and Tom. I'm tired of Aaron getting passes in the postseason, too. Peyton doesn't get passes. Why does Aaron?
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06-23-2015, 12:51 PM	#598
Saul Good Quit your bullshit Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bored of winning Casino cash: $10052799	Wilson has had arguably the most successful first three years of an NFL career in history, yet more than half of this board doesn't think he's worth two first round picks because he isn't elite. He's won 42 games including 6 postseason games, a Superbowl, and 2 NFC Championships. Meanwhile, its been 28 years since the Chiefs last won a game in which we started a QB that we drafted and 22 years since we won a playoff game. SMDH __________________ Today is not a good day to be a pussy.
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