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joe Montana is 59 years old, not far from Social Security.

The notion of Joe taking another NFL snap is, of course, ludicrous, but when he talks about the pass-happy NFL of today and how The League caters to quarterbacks and receivers, Montana has joked that he wouldn’t mind getting back behind center.

He sees wide receivers running free, unafraid.

He sees a vast land of opportunity, where only narrow swaths existed in his day.

Reporters ask Joe to compare, then and now. He obliges them.

Asked about the passing parties the NFL stages every Sunday, in particular, the shallow crossing routes that the Patriots and Packers and Chargers are using to great effect, Joe Cool all but said these kids need to get off his yard.

“If we’d tried that, the receiver wouldn’t have played another game for a month,” Montana told the Boston Herald's Ron Borges.

Every generation has its own challenges. Back when Montana last played, in the mid-1990s, his challenge was his own team. The Kansas City Chiefs. They almost never get it right at quarterback.

Sure, Len Dawson was a Hall of Famer. He helped them win a Super Bowl in 1970. An exception. The Chiefs surrounded Dawson with other Hall of Famers and Pro Bowlers. Many were defenders. Back then, the NFL was legal mayhem. Teams mugged each other. The quarterback was fair game. Last man standing wins.

The Chiefs have never made it back to the Super Bowl. There are many reasons for it. Near the top of the list is the quarterback problem. And as quarterbacks have become even more outsized in their impact on the games, the Chiefs have never really got it right.

This year, they’re in a familiar spot. Quarterback jail.

Good-guy Alex Smith, God bless him, is not getting it done though he is, or was, until of late, a cut above what the Chiefs typically have trotted out behind center. The San Diegan looks spooked. He’s taken more sacks than any other AFC quarterback. Defenses are again daring him to beat them downfield, and he’s not making them back off.

A new receiver who cost the Chiefs a lot of money, Jeremy Maclin, has helped. He has dropped only one pass in 40 chances. A young tight end, Travis Kelse, is a playmaker from the Gronk Lite mold.

But the offense was built around the running back, Jamaal Charles, and that usually doesn’t work so great in this era. When Charles was lost for the season two games ago, the Chiefs went on to blow a game, at home to the Bears. Charles was having his struggles. He fumbled twice against the Broncos, in another game the Chiefs tossed in the trash can at Arrowhead Stadium.

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The Chiefs are 1-5. Kansas Citians have another team to cheer, the Royals, who are on the verge of making it two World Series trips in two years. Missouri has gone from red state to blue state.

So, even with a talented defense, it looks like the Chiefs’ streak of playoff futility will stretch for another year.

The Chiefs last won a playoff game after the 1993 season.

Montana was their quarterback. He led them past the Pittsburgh Steelers and Houston, then known as the Oilers.

Then came the AFC Championhip Game in frigid Buffalo. Twelve degrees, wind chill. Montana looked older than his 37 years and the Bills pasted him and the Chiefs, 30-13.

The Chiefs haven’t gone back to the AFC title game. They’ve not won any playoff games. It can be done, but probably won’t until they get a snappier quarterback who can pile up all those yards and points that are there to be got every Sunday.
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Old 10-23-2015, 11:39 AM   #16
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So ****ing tired of the "Gronk Lite" terminology with regard to Kelce. Put him on a team with Tom Brady and I'll bet a nut that he has bigger numbers than Gronkowski.
More Fumbles then Gronk too
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Old 10-23-2015, 11:41 AM   #17
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As far as I know...the Chiefs have never developed a rookie QB into a chanpionship QB...they've certainly had them...but it's always been a free agent/traded player. Even Len Dawson was developed elsewhere. Maybe none of that matters.
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Old 10-23-2015, 11:42 AM   #18
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Talent level is higher
Maclin is huge upgrade over Bowe
Rookie center is bright spot of woeful O-line
Mental toughness is the difference.
Can't tell if it's because Reid just doesn't demand it, or he thought shouldering the blame would inspire his team instead of making them complacent, but that's the 2015 story.
Obviously the talent level is not higher. 1-5 compared to 3-3 (and 6-0 if you wanna be really cute).

How is Maclin a "huge" upgrade? The offense can't stay on the field for more than six plays and isn't scoring points. That's no different than last year with Bowe.

Because, shocking revelation here, neither Bowe nor Maclin are going to succeed when there isn't a credible receiving threat opposite them combined with a QB that refuses to take chances downfield. Not like several others and myself here haven't pointed that out for the better part of two years.

Morse has been decent, but everything else hasn't improved... because the Chiefs more or less switched Hudson with Grubbs. The line was supposedly terrible last year so it shouldn't have shocked anyone that it's not any better when your best OL is signed away as a FA and thus you're forced to trade for another vet at a different position. It's shocked everyone here apparently that the line isn't good when a "moron" like myself that wasn't an all state class 2A football player ten years ago could figure that shit out.

A lack of mental toughness or whatever one wants to call it hasn't a facet of the team in the last 15 years. It definitely hasn't been around in the last three when the highlight of veteran leadership has been Derrick Johnson peacing the **** out of the locker room before the media could have a chance to start sourcing interviews after losing three straight divisional games in 2013. Or when the team laid down to Denver the first game after Berry's diagnosis was made public last year. They really got one for the Gipper there, didn't they?

I'm not in the lockerroom so I don't know why this has been the case and don't know how Reid is managing things obviously, but maybe it's not all too surprising that he's not a good coach when most of his success came with a then-dynamic QB in McNabb making the most out of guys like Brian Westbrook and Terrell Owens and a great defensive coordinator in Jim Johnson. Again, this wasn't all that hard to predict for a moron like me.. Maybe I was wrong about not being able to hack it as a sports columnist if I as a moron had the more accurate prediction and provided so free of charge unlike the pundits who are apparently stealing money from their publications.
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Old 10-23-2015, 11:43 AM   #19
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As far as I know...the Chiefs have never developed a rookie QB into a chanpionship QB...they've certainly had them...but it's always been a free agent/traded player. Even Len Dawson was developed elsewhere. Maybe none of that matters.
Oh no it matters the media is starting to pick up on it if we have a top 5 pick this year they will have to draft a QB.

There is way too many problems with Alex Smith this year to make enough excuses in not drafting a QB.
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I take it they mean, this season's most disappointing team. But it could apply universally.
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The 2nd can be fix with Coaching

For the record I think the chiefs are some where in the middle we are not as bad talent wise as our record show's

The team has given up on Reid and Smith this year you can see it on the field The DEN game destroyed them.
I have to agree with this. The Broncos at home, we had to beat them.
It was our Super Bowl, and we spent our wad on it and got beat.
If the Chiefs would have won that game I think mentally we would have game ready for the other opponents.
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Old 10-23-2015, 11:48 AM   #22
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I have to agree with this. The Broncos at home, we had to beat them.
It was our Super Bowl, and we spent our wad on it and got beat.
If the Chiefs would have won that game I think mentally we would have game ready for the other opponents.
And that is on coaching Reid could not bring them back from the darkness and if he is here next year I don't see much changing it's one of the main Reasons I want to see a new Head coach when your team goes 1-15 in its 3rd year the players are never going to trust there Head coach again.
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And that is on coaching Reid could not bring them back from the darkness and if he is here next year I don't see much changing it's one of the main Reasons I want to see a new Head coach when your team goes 1-15 in its 3rd year the players are never going to trust there Head coach again.
I think Andy lost whatever mojo he had years ago, he has 21 wins in KC... and only 6 of those in the last two years were against teams that ended the season better than .500. Only 6... if KC can walk away, they should.
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As far as I know...the Chiefs have never developed a rookie QB into a chanpionship QB...they've certainly had them...but it's always been a free agent/traded player. Even Len Dawson was developed elsewhere. Maybe none of that matters.
The Chiefs have never developed any QB.. No QB drafted by the club has won a playoff game or been to a pro bowl. Hell, I don't think any QB drafted by the team has a winning record with the Chiefs.
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I think Andy lost whatever mojo he had years ago, he has 21 wins in KC... and only 6 of those in the last two years were against teams that ended the season better than .500. Only 6... if KC can walk away, they should.
He might have been getting it back when he first got here but him and smith brought each other down there in a toxic relationship.
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He might have been getting it back when he first got here but him and smith brought each other down there in a toxic relationship.
Year 1 of a new regime is always interesting, typically taking over a bad team with a soft schedule, which is what happened in 2013.
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I think Andy lost whatever mojo he had years ago, he has 21 wins in KC... and only 6 of those in the last two years were against teams that ended the season better than .500. Only 6... if KC can walk away, they should.
He's got 2 years left after this season. I doubt he's ready pay a different HC while paying Reid for 2 years. It would be their 4th HC in 6 seasons.
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He's got 2 years left after this season. I doubt he's ready pay a different HC while paying Reid for 2 years. It would be their 4th HC in 6 seasons.
It's going to be a hard sell for any owner to let a coach keep his job in the 3rd year with 1-15 I would put his chances of staying at 50/50
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It's going to be a hard sell for any owner to let a coach keep his job in the 3rd year with 1-15 I would put his chances of staying at 50/50
I agree. But I'll be surprised if he makes the move.

I have a feeling he'll go cheap and just promote someone on this staff.
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