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Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

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Old 12-23-2015, 03:20 PM   #1876
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I don't think we're going to sign him either. I just kind of want to get it over with so it's done.

I think it's all on Dayton... no way he wants to be paying someone $20M per when they're 34, 35, 36. Moore CAN afford him, but he won't want to. It was either Mellinger or McCullough that wrote earlier that Royals scouts think he's already lost a step in the field. They've spent the whole offseason trying to soften the blow because it will be a major PR hit.

And that's okay, because he's not going to fully earn that contract in those extra years.
Bully to Alex if he can get it on the open market and likes the situation. I have little problem with the organization accounting for upcoming spending if that's the case.

Everyone would like him back, but the business side of things don't work out economically. Under a new TV deal, maybe?
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Old 12-23-2015, 03:32 PM   #1877
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I'm probably in the minority but as much as I like and have appreciated Gordon's play, I think it would be foolish to give him a 5/80+ contract.

He's had significant injuries the past two seasons and at his age, future injuries are likely.
Completely agree. If this team ties up that much money in Alex Gordon, we are out of the running when Hosmer, Moose, Cain, Escobar and Davis are all free agents after the 2017 season. We may wind up losing most of those guys anyway, but I'd like to at least have a shot at retaining them.

If Alex Gordon were 5 years younger or if the Royals were a big market team, keeping him would be an easy decision. But neither of those things are true.
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Old 12-23-2015, 03:42 PM   #1878
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Under a new TV deal, maybe?
Yep, it's too bad the current deal lasts until after the 2019 season.

From what I can tell with Google searches, it looks like Dayton Moore signed this contract in 2007. It's too bad he signed such a long-term contract. That was bad Dayton Moore: the guy who hired Trey Hillman and brought in guys like Yuniesky Betancourt and Jose Guillen.

The Dayton Moore we have now is a genius. The Dayton Moore from 2007? Not so much. I'm glad he figured it out.

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Old 12-23-2015, 03:44 PM   #1879
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Completely agree. If this team ties up that much money in Alex Gordon, we are out of the running when Hosmer, Moose, Cain, Escobar and Davis are all free agents after the 2017 season. We may wind up losing most of those guys anyway, but I'd like to at least have a shot at retaining them.

If Alex Gordon were 5 years younger or if the Royals were a big market team, keeping him would be an easy decision. But neither of those things are true.
I would generally agree. Re-signing Hos will no doubt be tough... but if you're going to offer a $20+M a year contract... I'd rather give it to Hos. I feel pretty good about Cuthbert, so if Moose walks, he walks. If you could sign Esky, Cain and somehow get Hos... you could fill in the gaps with Mondesi, Cuthbert, maybe Starling or one of the other young OFs. You could still field a competitive team.

Plus waiting to sign any of those guys means you're working under a new TV contract (for part of the deal, at least).
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I would generally agree. Re-signing Hos will no doubt be tough... but if you're going to offer a $20+M a year contract... I'd rather give it to Hos. I feel pretty good about Cuthbert, so if Moose walks, he walks. If you could sign Esky, Cain and somehow get Hos... you could fill in the gaps with Mondesi, Cuthbert, maybe Starling or one of the other young OFs. You could still field a competitive team.

Plus waiting to sign any of those guys means you're working under a new TV contract (for part of the deal, at least).

I have no interest in re-signing Escobar, and I doubt the team does, either, unless Mondesi collapses. Extending a speed and defense SS into his 30s seems like a bad prop, especially when you have a cheap internal replacement whose floor is the current guy's ceiling.

As such, I'd swap Moustakas and Escobar in your consideration. I also need to see Cain maintain the XBH power this season before I'm comfortable extending him (because his O is eventually going to have to carry him if you extend beyond current years of control).

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I'm probably in the minority but as much as I like and have appreciated Gordon's play, I think it would be foolish to give him a 5/80+ contract.

He's had significant injuries the past two seasons and at his age, future injuries are likely.

I'll give you the "significant injury" in 2015, but his wrist injury in 2014 can't be classified as such, IMO.

If you play a full season through an injury, it's not "significant."

Regardless, your point still has merits. From a financial/long-term perspective, Alex Gordon at $15 million/year for 5 years makes sense. At 90? Not so much.
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I have no interest in re-signing Escobar, and I doubt the team does, either, unless Mondesi collapses. Extending a speed and defense SS into his 30s seems like a bad prop, especially when you have a cheap internal replacement whose floor is the current guy's ceiling. the
This. The aging curve for defense is even younger than hitting, peaking at 25 or 26. Escobar derives all his value from his glove and baserinning so at age 30 he will be in severe decline stage, most likely
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I don't think Gallardo would qualify as a "bargain bin" acquisition. Kazmir is in pretty high demand.

I would look at a guy like Lincecum as a true bargain bin opportunity.
You have mentioned him before and I liked the idea a lot. If that guys arm isn't wrecked and would come cheap he could be a real gem in the junk heap. I would be all for this if Royals think there is still some life left.
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I have no interest in re-signing Escobar, and I doubt the team does, either, unless Mondesi collapses. Extending a speed and defense SS into his 30s seems like a bad prop, especially when you have a cheap internal replacement whose floor is the current guy's ceiling.
Would you consider signing him to play 2nd base if that was an option? Granted, I know his speed will decline, but even with that, would he still be a viable average to above average 2B with the glove and not have to cover much range, compared to SS?

Plus, they can always have him bat at the 8-9 hole anyways.
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Would you consider signing him to play 2nd base if that was an option? Granted, I know his speed will decline, but even with that, would he still be a viable average to above average 2B with the glove and not have to cover much range, compared to SS?

Plus, they can always have him bat at the 8-9 hole anyways.

No, not really. His value is so tied up in abilities that don't age well, I don't think even moving him to 2B would work unless he becomes a much better hitter all of a sudden.
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No, not really. His value is so tied up in abilities that don't age well, I don't think even moving him to 2B would work unless he becomes a much better hitter all of a sudden.
That's reasonable, and I can agree with that. I just wasn't sure if it would be a cheaper option to go that route instead of finding an Omar Infante (overpaying a 2B with horrific production).

That being said, does KC even have a 2B of the future in the minors somewhere, or someone that can translate well into that position offensively and defensively?
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I was thinking 2B too, I certainly wouldn't let him block Mondesi. But, he'll be miles cheaper than Moose. I have no problem signing Moose and letting Escobar walk. I know how much Dayton values defense up the middle of the field though. I don't think Escobar has to be a subpar 2B in his 30's. Lots of guys have done it.

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That's reasonable, and I can agree with that. I just wasn't sure if it would be a cheaper option to go that route instead of finding an Omar Infante (overpaying a 2B with horrific production).

That being said, does KC even have a 2B of the future in the minors somewhere, or someone that can translate well into that position offensively and defensively?
I'd like to see them give Christian Colon a shot.
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I don't think Gallardo would qualify as a "bargain bin" acquisition. Kazmir is in pretty high demand.



I would look at a guy like Lincecum as a true bargain bin opportunity.

Lincecum is a Moore kinda signing.
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Under a new TV deal, maybe?

That TV contract is going to haunt them.
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I have no interest in re-signing Escobar, and I doubt the team does, either, unless Mondesi collapses. Extending a speed and defense SS into his 30s seems like a bad prop, especially when you have a cheap internal replacement whose floor is the current guy's ceiling.

As such, I'd swap Moustakas and Escobar in your consideration. I also need to see Cain maintain the XBH power this season before I'm comfortable extending him (because his O is eventually going to have to carry him if you extend beyond current years of control).




I'll give you the "significant injury" in 2015, but his wrist injury in 2014 can't be classified as such, IMO.

If you play a full season through an injury, it's not "significant."

Regardless, your point still has merits. From a financial/long-term perspective, Alex Gordon at $15 million/year for 5 years makes sense. At 90? Not so much.
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