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Old 11-02-2015, 05:00 PM  
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*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***



Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 12-27-2015, 08:30 PM   #1936
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Thanks for making my point for me. If the Cardinals had thrown $240 million at Albert Pujols, they wouldn't have Holliday, Wainwright and Molina on their team.

Pujols = Gordon

Holliday, Wainwright, Molina = Hosmer, Moustakas, Davis

That's how you sustain a winning program. You don't put all of your eggs in the aging superstar's basket.
Not even close but whatever you want to think.
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Old 12-27-2015, 08:31 PM   #1937
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Not even close but whatever you want to think.
You're right. Pujols was twice the player Gordon is.
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Old 12-27-2015, 08:31 PM   #1938
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I wouldn't go quite that far, nobody's going to give Gordon $200M, but the idea of paying someone for their declining years is more valid.

My greater point was how much more will Hosmer and Moose get than Gordon? You obviously can't afford to give every one of these guys $20M a year, unless you're the Dodgers. So you have to pick and choose... but there is the risk Hos/Moose could walk. Giving it to guys still in their 20's definitely seems like the safer play. Although I think Gordon is tough and will age okay. His defense may decline but he'll hold his own at the plate.
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Old 12-27-2015, 08:34 PM   #1939
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You're right. Pujols was twice the player Gordon is.
Yeah. But we can afford Gordon's contract. It's also a position we have nobody in the farm system being blocked either and we have a nice two year window where we can win some more.
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Old 12-27-2015, 08:38 PM   #1940
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Yeah. But we can afford Gordon's contract. It's also a position we have nobody in the farm system being blocked either and we have a nice two year window where we can win some more.
Don't get me wrong. I would love to see Alex Gordon come back. I was just watching the top plays of the year on Fox Sports One, and Gordon had #8 (diving into the stands to catch a ball) and #7 (the biggest home run of the 2015 postseason).

I sincerely hope he and Dayton Moore find a way to make it happen. But if it doesn't, I'm not going to call the Royals a bunch of cheap bastards.
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Old 12-27-2015, 08:43 PM   #1941
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My position is Gordon is a safe bet to resign. He doesn't have Holliday's bat but if that bastard can play left field up until he is 36, which would be around when Gordon's contract comes up if we resign, its fine.

2017 we are blowing this bitch up for the most part, or reloading at several positions. Gordon to me makes more sense to resign than Cain, Escobar, and Moose. Hosmer is going to be tough. Salvy should be a lock for a big contract.
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Old 12-27-2015, 08:44 PM   #1942
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Something I'm sure the suits are taking into consideration but the average fan may not be is that the Royals must remain competitive enough over the next couple of years to ensure that new tv contract is huge. If they mortgage the future to try and repeat year and miss the playoffs and the bandwagon
fan turns on them, they could cost themselves long term tv money.
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I'd go 5/75. $15,000,000 5 years from now will likely be below league average for a starting LF.

and he will be a below league average LF.
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Something I'm sure the suits are taking into consideration but the average fan may not be is that the Royals must remain competitive enough over the next couple of years to ensure that new tv contract is huge. If they mortgage the future to try and repeat year and miss the playoffs and the bandwagon
fan turns on them, they could cost themselves long term tv money.
The TV contract is going to be huge, regardless.

The Diamondbacks signed a 10 year, $1 billion dollar contract last year and they haven't won anything in forever.
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Something I'm sure the suits are taking into consideration but the average fan may not be is that the Royals must remain competitive enough over the next couple of years to ensure that new tv contract is huge. If they mortgage the future to try and repeat year and miss the playoffs and the bandwagon
fan turns on them, they could cost themselves long term tv money.
This is very true, and it is an argument to sign Gordon at all costs.

It's a much better argument than just calling the Royals a bunch of cheap bastards and saying David Glass wants to jerk off on the money.
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The TV contract is going to be huge, regardless.

The Diamondbacks signed a 10 year, $1 billion dollar contract last year and they haven't won anything in forever.
Diamondbacks deal including ownership stake in it.
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The TV contract is going to be huge, regardless.

The Diamondbacks signed a 10 year, $1 billion dollar contract last year and they haven't won anything in forever.
The Phoenix MSA is much larger than KCs however. That could play a role in it as well.
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On FS1 now. This is the World Series DVD, in case you were interested.

Very good.
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Is the DVD good? I got it for Christmas haven't watched it yet. Everyone just got me Royals stuff for Christmas this year. It was pretty sweet.
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My gut feeling is Gordon will wait to try to suck out as much as he can, but in the end stays in KC. I don't think the money difference will be enough to make him want to leave.
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