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Old 11-02-2015, 05:00 PM  
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*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***



Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 12-28-2015, 10:17 PM   #1981
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Actually Lex, (And I had to go back and read and watch before I was certain), he entered the game as a replacement for CR Tony Armas who got hurt, and while tracking a long fly ball off Bobby Grich, the ball hit the palm of his glove as he hit the CF wall and it popped out of his glove and over the wall for a 2 run HR.

He was going to be scapegoated for the series.

Well damn, you are correct. I guess I remembered Henderson leaping up and ATTEMPTING to make a great play, and I forgot the part about him not actually making the play at all. Come to think of it, that was part of the drama, wasn't it? Dave Henderson's redemption by hitting the game winning home run.

30 years from now I'll probably be telling people how vividly I remember the Royals winning the 2014 World Series on Alex Gordon's inside-the-park home run in game 7.
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Old 12-29-2015, 12:13 AM   #1982
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that means it's true though in that scenario. And to me, that IS an insulting offer. I'd have started at 4/$70
More than likely, 4 for $60 was the Royals opening offer. A little above the top contracts offered to Meche and Guillen at $55 mil. A little low, but not insulting and gives him the largest contract in Royals history.

I think the Royals would be willing to go 4 for $70 mil, but that would probably be the ending point. They're looking to lock up some younger guys in the next couple years and you don't invest the kind of money Gordo's agent is wanting in a player in their 30's, whose value is very tied up in his defense. Range and speed will decline with age.


That being said, with the plethora of second tier OF options available at cheaper rates, wouldn't shock me if Gordo ended up back in KC at 4 for 70 . . . .
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Old 12-29-2015, 12:17 AM   #1983
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Old 12-29-2015, 01:01 AM   #1984
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When DM took over, what if he said "within 10 years I'll have won a World Series, gone to another one, and had the Yankees copying my methods"


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Old 12-29-2015, 05:42 AM   #1985
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When DM took over, what if he said "within 10 years I'll have won a World Series, gone to another one, and had the Yankees copying my methods"


The press room would've erupted in laughter.
That puts Dayton Moore's accomplishments in perspective, doesn't it?

That is why I won't complain no matter what happens with Alex Gordon. GMDM seems to know what the hell he's doing. Any Royals fan who panics now and says bullshit like "The Royals are just cheap bastards" and "David Glass just wants to jerk off on piles of our money" has not been paying attention the last 5 years.
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Old 12-29-2015, 08:45 AM   #1986
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@royalsclubhouse: Alex Gordon, to Lincoln Journal Star, after being asked about Heyman's claim last week that there was no chance of KC contract. "No truth."
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@royalsclubhouse: Alex Gordon, to Lincoln Journal Star, after being asked about Heyman's claim last week that there was no chance of KC contract. "No truth."
Maybe but not sure that is the time or place to say otherwise.
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It sounds like Alex Gordon wasn't insulted by the Royals initial offer after all.

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Alex Gordon appeared at a recent event in Omaha to provide baseball instruction to children and took time to comment there was "no truth" to recent reports there was "no chance" he would re-sign with the Royals as things currently stood. According to the Lincoln-Journal Star, Gordon said the experience was "frustrating and exciting", adding:

"I hope to sign sooner than later, but this will all work out for the best,"

Talking with the Omaha World-Herald, Gordon said the Royals were "still in the mix", adding.

"I know what’s going on behind the scenes, and I’m dealing with it the best I can." Gordon said the free-agent experience hasn’t been nerve-racking but added the timeline has been a little surprising.

"I thought it would have been done by now," he said, "but I’m a pretty laid-back guy, so I’m not letting it stress me out."

Gordon said he has enjoyed his time in Kansas City, but indicated to the Lincoln Journal-Star it was his agent, Casey Close, who was leading negotiations.

"We had so much fun, and to be around to see a team grow like Kansas City did and win the World Series was unbelievable," he said.

"Right now I'm unemployed and I pay an agent 4 percent to make the calls, take the calls and let me know what's going on," said Gordon, considered one of the top-producing outfielders in the major leagues and certainly among the elite defensively.

Gordon has been reportedly been low-balled by the Royals, with some believing the offer to be as low as four years, $50 million. Gordon had reportedly been seeking a five year, $100 million deal, leaving a wide gap in negotiations. The Giants, Cardinals, Angels, Orioles, and White Sox were said to be pursuing him, although indications are the Giants, Cardinals, and Angels have all dropped out of the running.

Alex Gordon is coming off his third consecutive All-Star season in which he hit .271/.377/.432 in 422 plate appearances. By WAR, he is coming off the best five-year stretch in Royals history outside of George Brett. He is also coming off a major groin injury and will turn 32 in February.
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I figured that's the case.

This Heyman individual needs to be neg repped/trolled into submission.
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I figured that's the case.

This Heyman individual needs to be neg repped/trolled into submission.
Why? How would you know who's telling the truth?
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Why? How would you know who's telling the truth?
I would trust the player/agent than a uninformed reporter who has no well established connections in Kansas City. Especially if it's Alex Gordon.

The problem is, how can one identify how much the market is for Gordon if Upton and Cespedes are still on the market? The longer those two guys who are out there, I have to think it hurts Gordon's value on the market.

Plus, you do remember Michael Bourn? He had to settle for 4/$48M and Bourn was a year younger than Alex when QO-tagged.

I think Alex will find something between 4 years $80 with a 5th year option (you know how much GMDM loves those options), in my opinion.
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That puts Dayton Moore's accomplishments in perspective, doesn't it?

That is why I won't complain no matter what happens with Alex Gordon. GMDM seems to know what the hell he's doing. Any Royals fan who panics now and says bullshit like "The Royals are just cheap bastards" and "David Glass just wants to jerk off on piles of our money" has not been paying attention the last 5 years.
It may suck and be a blow to the team to lose Alex, but circumstances are what they are, the market and TV deal hamstrings them for now. Ultimately, as you said - they've earned the right to steer the ship and chart the waters based upon doing something NOBODY expected to be the results.
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@royalsclubhouse: Alex Gordon, to Lincoln Journal Star, after being asked about Heyman's claim last week that there was no chance of KC contract. "No truth."
I honestly don't buy a word about the leaked reports. No news is simply no news. Nobody is chomping at the bit to sign him at some grossly overpriced contract.

It could still happen, but it is just as likely that the waters have cooled a bit and teams have rethought how much and how long they want to offer him.
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I would trust the player/agent than a uninformed reporter who has no well established connections in Kansas City. Especially if it's Alex Gordon.

The problem is, how can one identify how much the market is for Gordon if Upton and Cespedes are still on the market? The longer those two guys who are out there, I have to think it hurts Gordon's value on the market.

Plus, you do remember Michael Bourn? He had to settle for 4/$48M and Bourn was a year younger than Alex when QO-tagged.

I think Alex will find something between 4 years $80 with a 5th year option (you know how much GMDM loves those options), in my opinion.
If Gordon had an offer of 4/80 with a 5th year option, I think he'd have signed it by now. My best guess at this point is that he's back next year with something along the lines of a 4/60 deal and a 5th year club option of $20m and a $5m payout if we decline it.
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I just heard on 610 that they will be playing the radio broadcast of each postseason game in a row starting soon. I didn't catch exactly what day and time it would start though.
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