Thin and young Secondary Thoughts

[Chief Roundup]

Our Defense is now down a 3rd player in the secondary. All 3 of these players were high quality veteran players that were important to our team and Defense.
Peters has been exceptional. But his own youth almost got the most of him a couple of times as even he alluded too. He mentioned that the veterans helped calm him down.
I do not really know what is available from the FA pool. I know there seems like some good prospects in the draft at the CB position, can they have as much impact in their rookie season as Peters did though is the real question.
Don't know much about the Safety pool in the draft. I wouldn't be surprised if we spend our first two rounds on the secondary.

I hope we sign at least one vet and don't go that young.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

BossChief touched on this a little on the first page, but the main reason(s) I'm not worried about the secondary a whole lot...

Too bad we will be missing the man in the middle there, our best pass rusher for at least the first part of the season if not the entire season. The men on either side are not getting any younger. Hali is not what he once was and is another year older.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Too bad we will be missing the man in the middle there, our best pass rusher for at least the first part of the season if not the entire season. The men on either side are not getting any younger. Hali is not what he once was and is another year older.

False. It's more likely that Houston is playing week 1 than he misses the entire season.

His timetable is 6-12 months.

Chris Harris came back in 6 months two years ago. Von Miller came back in 7 months that same year.

There's a damn good chance Houston is back week 1.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by staylor26

False. It's more likely that Houston is playing week 1 than he misses the entire season.

His timetable is 6-12 months.

Chris Harris came back in 6 months two years ago. Von Miller came back in 7 months that same year.

There's a damn good chance Houston is back week 1.

He might be and hope he is there, but missing all of the off season training and camp is not going to make him sharp out of the gate either. I know he will still be decent, although not the same.
We have seen what happens to players that miss all that time. They are anywhere from rusty to injured again from lack of conditioning.
Being solely positive about this situation is disingenuous at best. No the sky is not falling but it is not all sunny and roses either.

[O.city]

I'm not opposed to bringing in some veteran safeties, but you've gotta look at overall position cost. We're likely to have tied up alot in berry, parker.

I know you need depth, but if berry gets this big deal, he's gotta make up for having some young cheap inexperience back there.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

He might be and hope he is there, but missing all of the off season training and camp is not going to make him sharp out of the gate either. I know he will still be decent, although not the same.
We have seen what happens to players that miss all that time. They are anywhere from rusty to injured again from lack of conditioning.
Being solely positive about this situation is disingenuous at best. No the sky is not falling but it is not all sunny and roses either.

Both of those guys had huge years with the same recovery time. I'm not being soley positive as much as asking why should we be as negative as you and others mostly are, when recent history indicates otherwise.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Both of those guys had huge years with the same recovery time. I'm not being soley positive as much as asking why should we be as negative as you and others mostly are, when recent history indicates otherwise.

I am not being negative. I am being realistic. There is a range in those time frame stats for a reason. You can't expect everyone to be back in the shortest end of that range. The more people make it back at the short end of the time frame the more people expect that to be the case. Then when someone doesn't make it back within that shortened time frame the player starts to take blame about not doing enough or something of their fault no matter the truth.
The best option is to expect him back in 9 months that way you are not pissed when he doesn't make it back in 6 months which is more unrealistic although possible.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by sedated

Did anyone else read the thread title as "thin and young Secretary thoughts"?

several hence the parody thread.

[frankotank]

I clicked on this thinking thread title said

Thin and young Secretary Thoughts



DOH!

PS - I'm in favor of them though!

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I am not being negative. I am being realistic. There is a range in those time frame stats for a reason. You can't expect everyone to be back in the shortest end of that range. The more people make it back at the short end of the time frame the more people expect that to be the case. Then when someone doesn't make it back within that shortened time frame the player starts to take blame about not doing enough or something of their fault no matter the truth.
The best option is to expect him back in 9 months that way you are not pissed when he doesn't make it back in 6 months which is more unrealistic although possible.

Sorry, but you aren't being "realistic" if you completely rule out him coming back week 1 and having a big year.

I'm not even saying he will or I expect that, but it's certainly a possibility and maybe even likely looking at recent history.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Sorry, but you aren't being "realistic" if you completely rule out him coming back week 1 and having a big year.

I'm not even saying he will or I expect that, but it's certainly a possibility and maybe even likely looking at recent history.

I haven't ruled it out. It is a possibility and more likely than it taking the full 12 months.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I haven't ruled it out. It is a possibility and more likely than it taking the full 12 months.

Ok, well you started off saying he will miss "at least the first part of the season", so I assumed that meant you were ruling that possibility out.

Bottom line is the best examples we have to go by are Harris and Miller. I think their speedy recoveries on the same team in the same year is more of an indication that Houston coming back and playing week 1 is very realistic if not likely, than it was just some miracle.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

I was big on WJ III but I worry about his physical strength and tackling abilities. Wouldn't be surprised if we pass on him round two. Definitely not round 1 material

[O.city]

Have the schedules been released yet? It would be nice to not have as difficult of a start this year

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Ok, well you started off saying he will miss "at least the first part of the season", so I assumed that meant you were ruling that possibility out.

Yes he will OTAs Training Camp and he will not be the same for the first couple of weeks at least when he does come back.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Draft 1 corner early, pick another one late. Need a safety in this draft too. Trade away a 2017 pick to get a 3rd/4th rounder for this year