Barnwell on Derek Carr

[the Talking Can]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page...orget-help-nfl

Carr's offensive line allowed him to do things that were relative luxuries for Bortles and Bridgewater, like breathe in the pocket without fearing for his life. Carr was pressured on only 21.6 percent of his dropbacks, the fifth-lowest rate among starting quarterbacks. A quarterback who gets the ball out quickly can distort that number (see: Tom Brady), but other metrics suggest that wasn't the case with Carr. He took 2.44 seconds before his typical pass, 15th in the league. Carr's average throw traveled 7.67 yards in the air, which was slightly below league average and one full yard deeper than the typical Bridgewater pass (6.66)...


It's another Oakland credo to go after enormous receivers. Carr's average pass went to a receiver who was 74.3 inches tall (a little over 6 feet 2), giving him the fourth-largest receiving corps in football. (Jacksonville's grouping was third.) Sadly, they weren't always his friends. Oakland's pass-catchers, which will return virtually unchanged in 2016, dropped 5.1 percent of Carr's throws last year. That was the fifth-worst rate in the league. It's hard to see these receivers combining to drop as many passes in 2016, particularly Cooper, who should be healthier after struggling through plantar fasciitis a year ago. While analyses suggesting Cooper dropped 18 passes seem off the mark, ESPN Stats & Information has Cooper down for 10 drops on 126 targets, the second-highest total in the league behind Tampa's Mike Evans.

The one perhaps concerning quirk surrounding Carr's 2015 season is what happened as it went along: Namely, Carr got worse. A lot worse. His QBR during Weeks 1-9, covering Oakland's first eight games, was 11th in the league at 66.6. During Oakland's final eight games, Carr's QBR dropped to just 35.1, leaving him 28th out of 29 passers. Only Bortles, coincidentally, was worse. Carr's decline came under duress. He had the league's lowest pressure rate during the first half of the year, at 17.6 percent. Over the final eight weeks, that pressure rate leaped up to 25.0 percent. That was only eighth in the league, but it was enough to help throw Carr off track....


There is something that will have to improve, though, fluke or otherwise: Late in games, for whatever reason, Carr was a mess. He posted a 19.9 QBR in the fourth quarter and overtime, which was the second-worst mark in the league ahead of Nick Foles. Bortles, one spot ahead of Carr, finished at 31.2. Seven of Carr's 13 picks came in the fourth quarter and OT, despite the fact that he threw only 31 percent of his passes during that time frame. Only Matthew Stafford had a higher interception rate in the fourth quarter/OT (6.8 percent) than Carr (5.3 percent).

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Smellway

That's the "One Little Ship" episode of DS9, right?

For a terrible episode, it was pretty good

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Your "he hasn't proven it yet" excuse to slow the hype on Carr is hilariously hypocritical considering your opinion on every unproven Chiefs player.

It's like talking football with a Jr high kid.

What the **** are you talking about?

First off, I said he hasn't arrived, as in he is not yet a top 10 QB, more or less a sure thing to be a top 5 QB down the line. He's proven he belongs as a starter, but that's about it.

Second, saying somebody like Ford can still develop into a solid player instead of declaring him a bust after just 7 starts is the same thing as saying Carr still has a ways to go before he can be considered a great QB? Context is everything you ****ing moron. I'm not even bashing Carr or saying he won't be a really good QB, just objectively pointing out that he regressed at the end of last season and hasn't yet arrived. I can say one young player that hasn't yet arrived is underrated while saying another is overrated. They don't contradict themselves when I'm acknowledging that both players can still develop into good or great players.

To be clear, I'm obviously not comparing Carr and Ford on the same level here. Carr has clearly already proven he belongs as a starter, while Ford has yet to do that.

Also, am I saying that Ford is already one of the best pass rushers? Or that Steven Nelson is one of the best corners? Conley one of the best WR's? Where's the ****ing contradiction here? When did I make definitive/bold statements on any of these guys?

The irony is, the only hypocrisy here is from dumb ****s like you. You'll pick apart every young Chiefs draft pick that hasn't proven themselves without giving them the propper time to develop, then turn around and crown somebody like Carr who objectively still has ways to go in their development.

What a dipshit you are.

[JimNasium]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

It was never a perm ban in the first place.

Clay is great. Learn to love him. Life will be much sweeter.

I'd have to disagree with you and I think you've been here long enough to know his history. He started out as a nerdy troll. He spammed the board relentlessly on a holiday and got a short-term ban for it. He tried to reinvent himself as a football writer. When he failed miserably at that laughable venture, he returned to his pre-teen, millennial, hey please look at me, persona. It's become old. It's time to move on. The board is a better place without him. He's a monumental, attention whoring dick.

[threebag]

Yeah **** Claynus. It's too late its over.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Someone ban Clay already. For the love of God. Ban this douche.

Some of us like having him here, n00b. WTF is wrong with his posts? How many user names have you had banned?

[jspchief]

The number of people that can't resist taking Clay's bait is comical.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by New World Order

Why?

We don't have an elite defense without Houston. We may not even have an elite d with him. If Smith doesn't have an elite d KC won't do much damage.

Again. This defense was NOT elite when Alex Smith got here. Go back and look. I was laughed at and mocked by suggesting Alex Smith helps the defense. Whether you like him or not, Alex's ability to control the game and not turn the ball over helps the Chiefs defense. Just facts.


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[Mav]

Just gonna leave this here.


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[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Mav

Again. This defense was NOT elite when Alex Smith got here. Go back and look. I was laughed at and mocked by suggesting Alex Smith helps the defense. Whether you like him or not, Alex's ability to control the game and not turn the ball over helps the Chiefs defense. Just facts.


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Reminds me of when Herm had to break up the "circus offense" because they scored too quick and put pressure on the defense.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Reminds me of when Herm had to break up the "circus offense" because they scored too quick and put pressure on the defense.

Admittedly I wasn't around for that


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[Mother****erJones]

Card is just lucky he's has that oline. He sucked under pressure in college.

[BleedingRed]

Dude this guy named CLAY has been mentioned alot since I'v been here, and years before while I was a stalking these forums.

Who is this Myth, Legend?

[JimNasium]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Some of us like having him here, n00b. WTF is wrong with his posts? How many user names have you had banned?

Most of us don't like him. He's a douche.

[JimNasium]

Originally Posted by jspchief

The number of people that can't resist taking Clay's bait is comical.

I'm not taking bait. I'm telling it like it is based on years of watching his circus tricks.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by Mav

Again. This defense was NOT elite when Alex Smith got here. Go back and look. I was laughed at and mocked by suggesting Alex Smith helps the defense. Whether you like him or not, Alex's ability to control the game and not turn the ball over helps the Chiefs defense. Just facts.


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People who don't believe that a good offense contributes to a better defense have never played sports. It takes significantly more energy to play defense cause you are guessing routes and then covering lots of ground chasing the ball carrier. An offense that can sustain a 5-10 minute drive does wonders in providing rest for the DB's and linebackers.